green wrote:
I could do without the big bank bailouts and corporate subsidies... but other than that our country would be unrecognizable without socialist programs and organizations...
mail me your list, LOL
...ooops wait, the post office, damn!
Your premise is flawed.
Most of these things would have existed without socialism.
Cell phones exist because of government?
The Internet would not have existed without socialism?
Your computer would not have existed without socialism?
A power grid was created by Tesla and JP Morgan without socialism..... Spontaneous based on need and demand.
Steal was created without socialism.....Spontaneous based on need and demand
A bridge across the Mississippi River was spanned without socialism....Spontaneous based on need and demand
The automobile was create with out socialism....Spontaneous based on need and demand
The pipeline infrastructure was built without socialism. Rockefeller....Spontaneous based on need and demand
No question that a government needs to exist. One would arise if it did not exist.
You can have a society that has little or no federal income tax to support large federal institutions.
An excise tax is minimally invasive to prevent taking by force of law(stealing) from the working man.
Roads could be built and maintained with a fuel tax(excise). Theoretically they are.
Public education could all be private. I would argue that it would be more diverse and specialized to individual choices.
A public education does not equate to an education.
Michael Dell did not complete college.
The real argument is not about socialism (Yes or No)
The idea of the founding fathers was what system would best support individual liberty.
Socialism runs completely counter to individual liberty.
Look at how many time the founders spoke of Liberty in their writings.
I have never heard a socialist talk of individual liberty.
Socialism has many flavors and degrees.
True capitalism is an unknown ideal.
The closest any state has ever come to True capitalism was in 1780 or so in the U.S.
Individual liberty has slowly eroded from that point forward.
"A government does not become a tyranny through sudden usurpations but by gradual encroachment"
James Madison (Paraphrased)
What has been happening from the founding is Tyranny by vote, Tryanny by the majority, Tyranny by Democracy itself."
This concept in the above statement is why the founders created a Democratic Republic
The overriding idea of the founders was what system of government would best preserve INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY.
The End Game was Individual liberty not Democracy....