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Mar 23, 2017 15:03:00   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
Twardlow wrote:
You confuse communism with an erroneous concept of socialism; you should study more and speak less.

Socialism is an economic theory in which the government owns the means of production; communism is something entirely different.

Look up Nordic Social Democracy....


As we go through you posts on this subject, it appears, sequentially, that yous your IQ is "going down the slippery slope", leaving your head (?????) with only one sheeple brain cell, eh ?

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Mar 23, 2017 15:18:56   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
As we go through you posts on this subject, it appears, sequentially, that yous your IQ is "going down the slippery slope", leaving your head (?????) with only one sheeple brain cell, eh ?


Hey rfmaude, as we go through all of your repetitively rude and vulgar posts on UHH for your entire posting history, the following image comes to mind...


rfmaude's contributions on UHH thus far, eh A$$HOLE?:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq6l0arjnL1r1tetho1_400.gif

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Mar 23, 2017 15:42:17   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Twardlow wrote:
I don't agree at all. Socialism is a economic theory in which the government owns the means of production--look it up.

Of course, no one advocates that in this country.

The Social Democracy that Bernie advocated is much closer to the USA--government support of citizens, but a free enterprise economy.

Look that up, too.


I don't recall you being snide, but it seems that perhaps I am not the one in need of looking things up. Rather than this approach, perhaps you could let me know the basis of your theory that I am in need of further education on whether or not the US has had some forms of socialism embedded in our society from the beginning.

The US military is the greatest example of socialism embedded in our country. Who controls the means of production when we dcide to build a new aircraft carrier? We may use private companies to do the actual fulfillment, but the means of production is controlled the government. As is the distribution of the benefits. The people who pay for it are the citizens, collectively.

Every interstate highway you drive on is an example of socialism as is every time you take a drink of clean water, take a drug that does not kill you, or arrive safely at your destination after a trip on a jet airliner.

I could go on and on with thousands of concrete examples, but I trust you take my point.

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Mar 23, 2017 15:46:57   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Keenan wrote:
Hey rfmaude, as we go through all of your repetitively rude and vulgar posts on UHH for your entire posting history, the following image comes to mind...


rfmaude's contributions on UHH thus far, eh?:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq6l0arjnL1r1tetho1_400.gif


Quit crapping up the threads with your juvenile shit...

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Mar 23, 2017 17:36:56   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
Twardlow wrote:
I don't agree at all. Socialism is a economic theory in which the government owns the means of production--look it up.

Of course, no one advocates that in this country.

The Social Democracy that Bernie advocated is much closer to the USA--government support of citizens, but a free enterprise economy.

Look that up, too.


LOL apparently you did not lookup what you asked everyone to look up.

Socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Can you understand the words "Owned or Regulated"?
You seem to have left out the word.....REGULATED......
You advocate regulation you are a socialist.....
I advocate Free Market non regulated solutions.... I am a capitalist.
I admit I am a capitalist.
Why not admit you are a socialist?

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Mar 23, 2017 19:32:22   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, we have a bunch of people writing about something they know nothing about, being led by someone ignorant or deceiving.

Let's deal with some cold, hard, verifiable Facts.

First of all, let's learn what socialism is: Socialism is an economic theory in which the Government owns or controls the means of production. . No one in this country advocates Socialism by this definition.

Communism (which no one is talking about here) is an economic theory of revolution which leads to a classless society in which the government (or everyone) owns everything in common, and the government controls both politics and the economy. Obviously, no one in this country advocates this either, following the serial failures of that system all over the world.

However, there is a body of scholars who attempt to measure happiness in the world, and you can read about it here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/world/worlds-happiest-countries.html?mabReward=CTM1&recp=3&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

They have a 'top hits' list of countries they deem the happiest, and the top five countries are
1 Norway
2 Denmark
3 Iceland
4 Switzerland
5 Finland

These countries (mostly, not certain about Switzerland) feature the so-called Nordic model, or Nordic Capitalism, or Nordic Social Democracy, advocated by Bernie Sanders in the last election. It is not Socialism at all by the definition given above.

This is (according to Wikipedia) "a combination of free market capitalism with comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level."

Common traits are "a 'universalist welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement were representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government, and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade."

I point out that tha four of the five 'happiest' nations practice this form of government.

On that same list, the U.S.A. is listed at number fourteen.
Well, we have a bunch of people writing about some... (show quote)


Did you notice that these countries are basically white, without black trash, without South American wetback invaders and very few Muslims. Don't just jump on me for the truth
but you can see it before your eyes. It's cold in the countries for long periods and they like vodka, so that might make the happier people.

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Mar 23, 2017 19:41:09   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Keenan wrote:
Hey rfmaude, as we go through all of your repetitively rude and vulgar posts on UHH for your entire posting history, the following image comes to mind...


rfmaude's contributions on UHH thus far, eh A$$HOLE?:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq6l0arjnL1r1tetho1_400.gif


Neat! Keenan's little friend preparing dinner for both of them.

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Mar 23, 2017 20:00:24   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Pure capitalism can be truly ugly. some regulations are a must, but not so strict to muzzel thE free market. Pure socialism must be held together by a dictator or the population would revolt. The reason why capitalism works has to do with human nature-people willonly work if there is an incentive for them to do so. Take away incentive(socialism) people do nothing

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Mar 24, 2017 02:15:58   #
btbg
 
John_F wrote:
I dispute that Social Security and Medicare are socialism. In both one pays into a fund, which is to be leveraged by investment. One fund is for retirement which makes it to be like any orher retirement plan. Medicare operates the same; investment leveraging, not unlike any other health plan. The element that many conservatives dislike is that both mandate saving current earnings for the future use - how dare givernment tell me how to handle my money they say. Where things began to derail was Congress' restricting investment to Federal securities that were held to de-minimis earnings while the rest of the investment community was roaring - think 1945 - 1995. These actions by Congress in no small part enabled the winning of the Cold War. That our national language is English and not Russian can be chalked up to reduced earnings by Social Security and Medicare savings. It is payback time.
I dispute that Social Security and Medicare are so... (show quote)


That's not what we don't like about social security. What we don't like is the government takes our money and then fails to invest it. A much better system would be to require us to take 6.5 percent of our income, like the government currently does, and half of what our employer currently is forced to pay on our behalf, and then let us invest it so that the money grows.

With the amount of money that my employers and I have put into social security I would be a multimillionaire now if it wasn't for the government. It is nothing like any other retirement plan. They all depend on investments for growth. Meanwhile the government takes from me to pay for someone else's retirement and then they will take from the next generation to pay for mine.

On top of that, they don't pay enough to live on, but the same amount of money properly invested would. Social security is nothing more than a giant pyramid scheme. If someone tried to start that kind of investment program in the private sector they would be criminally prosecuted for it.

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