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Mar 9, 2017 14:23:44   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I, too, have noticed the trend to greater saturation and even HDR in many published images in the past couple of years. The appraisal that it is to grab the "wow" factor is appropriate. The few compositions that in their native state are WOW are rare and everyone loves to hear wow from their viewers. So we can gain from using tools that weren't available in years past and.... isn't it the ultimate vision of the photographer to obtain the image he had in mind rather than precisely what he saw? This an an argument like Canon vs. Nikon.

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Mar 9, 2017 14:28:18   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mtn_Dog wrote:
I can't help wonder how this conversation would flow if it was about color saturation in some other artistic medium such as oil painting or water color. The level of saturation is one of our choices for artistic expression. We communicate visually with our audience. How can there be a standard?

To suggest one approach is preferable to the next is to imply that one form of artistic expression is superior to the others, be it photography, music, cooking, you name it. Do we want to constrain ourselves to merely being recorders of flat visual data, like statisticians - unable to offer our personal interpretations of a scene to evoke an emotion? Heck, no!

If manipulation of tones, contrast and color is an offense, then Ansel Adams may have been a felon.

Viva l'difference!
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The very best lens I own for saturation is the Minolta High Speed AF APO 200MM f2.8. Super sharp, super saturated. You can also up the saturation in the Vivid menu of my Sony A77II. The lens is from the issue date of 1989 and is mint, did I mention how sharp it was and how saturated it was, I did, oh good.

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Mar 9, 2017 14:33:24   #
oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon
 
I don't consider myself an expert photographer, but I enjoy what I do. When doing nature or outdoor photography, my goal is to capture the beauty that is inherent in the scene. Consequently I do little to no post processing. I try to capture the best possible image at the moment. I really like the image posted above by Linda -- it is quiet, and it conveys the feeling of deep appreciation that one would have from simply standing there and taking it all in. Yes, Linda, l would put your image in very high contention. To brighten it or to increase contrast would be to represent a moment in nature that was not there. In this regard, I admire the work of Thomas Mangelsen, who does very little PP I understand. Just my perspective.

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Mar 9, 2017 15:24:20   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
wilfredmike wrote:
I have been a member of a camera club since 1975. Over the last 5 years or so, i have noticed an increase in color saturation of images displayed by members. The over saturating of images is apparently not a passing fad. Seems now it is the norm and if you display what i have always consider natural color, your images are not as well received.. Wondering what others think about this this.


What are the parameters set for judging prints? Have these changed, or the membership of the group?

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Mar 9, 2017 15:24:54   #
Lundberg02
 
looking out the window i don't see saturated colors

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Mar 9, 2017 15:51:54   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Nobody hires a wedding photographer without looking at samples of their work. So the their processed style is just what they wanted and paid for. Maybe it was those super saturated Disney animated movies we saw as a kid. Who is the most famous deer in the whole world? Bambi.


jeep_daddy wrote:
Just ignore them. Process your images the way you like them. Don't fall into step with them if you don't like it. Recently a very successful wedding photographer gave a talk at our club meeting and I was horrified by what I saw. I can't believe that people would pay a minimum of $6000 for his SHIT. He is a husband and wife team and his wife does most of the post processing. The post processing is where they are making me sick. But, it's just me I guess, and perhaps it's just not the vision I would have for a wedding. I know another Vietnamese wedding and engagement photographer, and I like his style. His style is a more blown out, bright, dreamy look. But I don't like it all the time. People should have a choice on what kind of wedding photos they want. My point is, if you don't like over saturated photos, I'm sure there are many of us that feel the same and you don't have to make your photos look the same way. Use your imagination. Hang your picture style on your walls and be proud.
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Mar 9, 2017 17:31:18   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I posted a bit to fredmiranda.com. My first few forays through their landscape section I was sooo put off by the ultra-slick and glossy, overly dramatic, over-saturated images. Always going for the huge WOW. (similar on 500px)

For nature and landscape shots, I've grown much more fond of shooting (and seeing) small, gentle moments that others might overlook.

All a matter of personal opinion and interests, though, and if you read the two articles linked in my signature line, you'll see better where I'm coming from.

I was a member of a large camera club in Arlington, VA around 1990. I entered all their monthly contests, often in both print (b&w) or color slides. But I would not do that today because I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of making my decision on what to submit based on what I thought would please someone else.

Would this one be in contention?
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Very nice image. Thanx for sharing!

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Mar 9, 2017 18:34:32   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
PGHphoto wrote:
I have noticed the same thing and HATE it. I have always preferred B&W shooting because with color when you spend time getting the composition, visual story and lighting exactly right what I usually hear is "Ooooo pretty colors..." . Makes me nuts. I think between supersaturating colors and ridiculous overuse of HDR, we are losing the skill of photography. If I want a Thomas Kinkade painting, I will buy one !

Sorry - a really sore spot with me. I notice that many contributors here seem to follow the trend and turn their photos into stylized 'art' rather than true photography (by my definition) . If that is what you like, I have no problem with you liking whatever you prefer, just rubs me the wrong way that it is called photography. Thats why I don't comment on any posted pictures - My aesthetic has no place in evaluating anybody else's work and I know that. (Doesn't mean I can't complain about it if asked though...)

Can somebody help me off my soapbox now ???
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You shoot B&W, yet get mad that oversaturated images are called photography? Shouldn't your same logic apply to completely undersaturated ones?

Thomas Kinkade made a lot of money, because people like color.

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Mar 9, 2017 18:35:55   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Mtn_Dog wrote:
I can't help wonder how this conversation would flow if it was about color saturation in some other artistic medium such as oil painting or water color.




It doesn't, because no other art form suffers from the self-loathing that photographers do.

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Mar 9, 2017 18:38:44   #
tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
As you said, many people simply want their images to have any immediate impact ("wow") as a way to get praise. HDR is definitely a way to get that kind of response, even when it is overdone. Rather than completely rejecting HDR, I have experimented with it to see what I can do to make the image truly my own. The pre-sets that HDR programs offer run the gamut of boring to interesting to weird, and often are somewhat "off the mark" in my opinion. But when it works, it really is pretty good.

What I do with HDR is choose the pre-set that looks the best to me, then edit that until I am satisfied. OR, I use that preset to give me some ideas for editing a single image in a way that is unique. It has worked very well most of the time. Because of this, using it as a "learning tool", I enjoy looking at what HDR can show me!

But I am still seeking to create images with natural-looking colors, fine detail, and with a "wow" factor...

Here are some different versions of one picture, showing how I "use" HDR. It was sunset in Portland, Maine, I was standing on the end of a pier looking back at the city. Colors were beautiful but hard to capture in one photo, so I bracketed.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:49:33   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
We were just talking about this in aphotoshop class. Look at the sky, then look at the pics people are creating.... They dont look like the same sky. They look more like some type of painting. Some I like some I hate . andthis is the reason I dont belong to a photo club. I dont need some guy telling me that my pictures dont measure up to HIS standards. More colors more saturation. etc etc. The last club I belonged to, you had to enter a pic every month. You never learned anything, it was just members tearing your shopt up. It seemed the worse things you said about someones photo the better. I didnt need it. A bunch of blow hards trying to make themselves look good.

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Mar 9, 2017 18:52:52   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
Lundberg02 wrote:
looking out the window i don't see saturated colors


And this is a large part of the problem - uneducated viewers. People come in my art show booth all the time and whine "It didn't look like that when I was there!" as though that's some sort of proof that I cheated at something or the other. Below is the photo that draws this comment more than all others combined. Little do they know, I was there at 5 a.m. shooting it at sunrise, while their tour bus pulled up at noon. They bring up this picture on their phone to show me how it "really looked".

Light is constantly changing; in temperature, intensity, angle, etc. Scenes look radically different at different times of day, days of the week, months of the year. Yet people think that because they looked out the window on an overcast day and didn't see much color saturation, photos that have brighter colors must have been "doctored".



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Mar 9, 2017 18:57:44   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
bdk wrote:
We were just talking about this in aphotoshop class. Look at the sky, then look at the pics people are creating.... They dont look like the same sky. They look more like some type of painting. Some I like some I hate . andthis is the reason I dont belong to a photo club. I dont need some guy telling me that my pictures dont measure up to HIS standards. More colors more saturation. etc etc. The last club I belonged to, you had to enter a pic every month. You never learned anything, it was just members tearing your shopt up. It seemed the worse things you said about someones photo the better. I didnt need it. A bunch of blow hards trying to make themselves look good.
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Nobody ever gave constructive criticism? Sometimes people just want to hear how great they are and don't want to hear anything else. Just sayin'

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Mar 9, 2017 19:13:57   #
HeatherM
 
TheDman wrote:


It doesn't, because no other art form suffers from the self-loathing that photographers do.


Creators of all art forms suffer from self loathing. Unfortunately.

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Mar 9, 2017 19:21:30   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
HeatherM wrote:
Creators of all art forms suffer from self loathing. Unfortunately.


Not like photographers. They hate the craft, hate the tools of the craft, and are constantly trying to stop using them. How many painters are trying to wean themselves off of the fan brush? Or think that paint thinner is cheating?

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