Re: "Which would YOU choose (come March)"
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Come March 2017, the FZ80 hits the streets 20--1200mm for $399.95. --- Currently you can get a refurbished SX60HS 21--1200 for $399.95.
--- --- Since I take pictures of parties and groups and 'tables at weddings', I need a good flash geared {i.e. diffused} to the 20mm lens shooting at 12-15ft distance at f8--f16.
Neither. I'd get a Lumix with a Micro 4/3 sensor and viewfinder.
There are many models to choose from.
None. Unless I win a lottery, I've got all the cameras I want.
--Bob
Gpa-15 wrote:
Re: "Which would YOU choose (come March)"
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Come March 2017, the FZ80 hits the streets 20--1200mm for $399.95. --- Currently you can get a refurbished SX60HS 21--1200 for $399.95.
--- --- Since I take pictures of parties and groups and 'tables at weddings', I need a good flash geared {i.e. diffused} to the 20mm lens shooting at 12-15ft distance at f8--f16.
MtnMan wrote:
Neither. I'd get a Lumix with a Micro 4/3 sensor and viewfinder.
There are many models to choose from.
I'd be embarrassed!
That would be like walking a toy poodle and having a fishing buddy see you actually doing it.
What if he snapped a pic, put it on FB, and it went viral? Then what ?!?!
SS
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
Gpa-15 wrote:
Re: "Which would YOU choose (come March)"
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Come March 2017, the FZ80 hits the streets 20--1200mm for $399.95. --- Currently you can get a refurbished SX60HS 21--1200 for $399.95.
--- --- Since I take pictures of parties and groups and 'tables at weddings', I need a good flash geared {i.e. diffused} to the 20mm lens shooting at 12-15ft distance at f8--f16.
I know nothing about the FZ80, but from its zoom range I'm guessing it is yet another small sensor bridge camera. If I understand correctly, the others who have recommended other cameras are questioning the image quality you'd get from one of these. They tend to have issues with noise and other IQ-destroying problems.
rehess wrote:
I know nothing about the FZ80, but from its zoom range I'm guessing it is yet another small sensor bridge camera. If I understand correctly, the others who have recommended other cameras are questioning the image quality you'd get from one of these. They tend to have issues with noise and other IQ-destroying problems.
Yes. They are 1/2.3 inch...about a centimeter. A 4/3 is 1 1/3 inch...over three centimeters or nearly six times the area. They give much better low light/ high ISO performance.
I'd never buy a camera immediately upon release. I always wait for the price to drop, which is always does... eventually. By the time the price goes down, there are usually plenty of reviews on the camera too.
I have the FZ70 model and it has become my favorite take everywhere rig. Yes the sensor is small in size but the lens is excellent and I get better pictures than I ever expected from it. The image stabilization is so good that I no longer carry a Tripod. I left all of the DSLR cameras and lenses behind on this trip to Taipei and have not regretted it yet.
Here a couple of shots from the FZ70.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-428847-1.html
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
The only way you are going to get "diffused" flash is by using an external flash, and either shooting it through a decent softbox, Brolly, or pointing several into a 60" or larger umbrella. That flash at 12 ft is just a point source - harsh, contrasty light. This camera does have a hotshoe, which is a good thing. As a camera, the about to be released GX850 would be a better choice, but it cannot fire an external flash - no hotshoe, no port for flash sync cable.
But you definitely want a larger sensor, and the smallest I would go would be a M4/3.
This is an affordable APS-C camera, with a "prime" lens that has a field of view equal to 28mm, a hot shoe, very compact, and it shoot raw (dng).
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1159252-REG/ricoh_175843_gr_ii_digital_camera.htmlif you need something that has interchangeable lenses, then this would fit the bill
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029860-REG/sony_ilce6000l_b_alpha_a6000_mirrorless_digital.htmlThe last two will give you everything you need, including a nice large sensor for good low-light performance, and you don't have to wait until something is released in March. The A6000 in particular has gotten strong reviews.
So given your intent, I would suggest you consider a larger sensor, and a slightly higher budget so you won't be back here asking about another camera in 12 months. They are worth a look, don't you think?
MtnMan wrote:
Neither. I'd get a Lumix with a Micro 4/3 sensor and viewfinder.
There are many models to choose from.
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Hi 'MtnMan'... I'm confused. Please specify a Lumix that has an ULTRA wide lens (20mm) that sells for UNDER $400.
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
Gpa-15 wrote:
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Hi 'MtnMan'... I'm confused. Please specify a Lumix that has an ULTRA wide lens (20mm) that sells for UNDER $400.
What is your definition of "ultra wide"?
Is this 20mm actual or 20mm "35mm equivalent"?
rehess wrote:
What is your definition of "ultra wide"?
Is this 20mm actual or 20mm "35mm equivalent"?
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Hi 'MtnMan'... It's a "35mm equivalent". I can see how you could have been confused.
BTW... It's the reason I coupled it with the 21mm (35mm equivalent) of the Canon SX60hs when I posted the Question.
Gpa-15 wrote:
Re: "Which would YOU choose (come March)"
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Come March 2017, the FZ80 hits the streets 20--1200mm for $399.95. --- Currently you can get a refurbished SX60HS 21--1200 for $399.95.
--- --- Since I take pictures of parties and groups and 'tables at weddings', I need a good flash geared {i.e. diffused} to the 20mm lens shooting at 12-15ft distance at f8--f16.
I didn't read the specs but can you set the aperture on these camera to f/16?
BebuLamar wrote:
I didn't read the specs but can you set the aperture on these camera to f/16?
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Hi 'BebuLamar'... Not SURE without going back to my source and Looking. HOWEVER, If I'm standing 10ft - 12ft from the center of a round table for 12 people, do you feel that f8 would give Crisp focus for all People (husbands would be standing behind seated wives.)
BTW... This is HOW I would use this camera. --- Yes, I would use the internal flash, provided its Horizontal-range was adequate; otherwise I would look to a Peter Gregg solution for Difussion of the Internal Flash.
Gpa-15 wrote:
Re: "Which would YOU choose (come March)"
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Come March 2017, the FZ80 hits the streets 20--1200mm for $399.95. --- Currently you can get a refurbished SX60HS 21--1200 for $399.95.
--- --- Since I take pictures of parties and groups and 'tables at weddings', I need a good flash geared {i.e. diffused} to the 20mm lens shooting at 12-15ft distance at f8--f16.
I bought a refurbed SX60HS from Canon a couple of months ago for $299. Believe me the long zoom is over rated at best. AF is OK at short focal lengths only. MF is junk. Fine tuning MF is a fantasy. Honestly I have an old SX150IS that takes better snapshots. Stick with the DSLR. The new mirrorless models are just as small and take much nicer pictures. My Sony A6000 with a Rokinon 12mm is smaller that the SX60 and is light years ahead in IQ.
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