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Jan 8, 2017 05:04:16   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The Chinese company DJI now has a controlling interest in Hasselblad.

If the price is right, hell yes! I do have Chinese Yungnuo flashes that work great, I have Chinese lot of things that work great (Craftsman tools are made in China)!

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Jan 8, 2017 11:59:23   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Spending wisely and getting value for one's dollar do enter the equation, too.
pendennis wrote:
That, sir, is the result of a capitalistic economy. If people can afford the homes, new cars, garages, updated kitchens, golf clubs, etc., why do you even care? It's their money, earned honestly and disposed of on what the individual wants or needs. It's none of my, nor anyone else's business. Every new golf club keeps another golf club maker's employee in a job. Every home, remodel, etc., keeps a carpenter, electrician, tiler, tool maker, etc., employed. That's the very basis of capitalism. Money doesn't sit under mattresses, floorboards, or cans in one's backyard. It's put to work, generating jobs, new capital, etc.

If another photographer owns ten Nikon D750's, why do we even mention it? Good for him/her, that they can afford them, or the lenses and accessories that go along with the cameras.

Capitalism depends on the diverse investment of capital and resources to grow economies. How those economies grow should be the business of the consumer, and not any government, since governments do not contribute to economies; they only take away.
That, sir, is the result of a capitalistic economy... (show quote)

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Jan 8, 2017 12:09:32   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
[quote=jerryc41]The Chinese company DJI now has a controlling interest in Hasselblad.[/quote


I'd be much more concerned that China now owns several large American food productions companies as well as making inroads into the purchase of agricultural land in the US. The demise of the American Farmer in favor of corporate agriculture was the first step in making this possible. Another factor, of course is that "food" today is manufactured as much as it is grown. Often the final product has little nutritional resemblance to how it came out of the ground.

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Jan 8, 2017 13:17:38   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
speters wrote:
If the price is right, hell yes! I do have Chinese Yungnuo flashes that work great, I have Chinese lot of things that work great (Craftsman tools are made in China)!


Just like American goods, some Chinese goods are top quality and some are <expletive of choice>.

However, if they do let quality slip or take the brand down market then they'll just become "Hassleblads"!

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Jan 8, 2017 15:16:59   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Great question. All of the photographers I hired years ago for shoots of products etc use the Hasselblad. It was the camera they needed to have.
I don't know for sure but with the options today I doubt that many are sold. Could be wrong. Little story I bought myself (with wife approval) a Leica
small camera that sold for $1800 years ago. Wanted to shoot b&w and only range finder etc. It came and was beautiful looking. I looked at the bottom of the
camera and it said made in Japan. I was shocked. Then thought all of the cameras I had were made in Japan. I recently noticed that Nikon and
Sony were manufacturing in Thailand and other places. My newer RX10 III which is amazing for what a bridge can do was made in China.
I agree with the gentlemen who said Asia can build some really good stuff. They have 300,000 workers making iPhones.

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Jan 8, 2017 15:44:47   #
Kissel vonKeister Loc: Georgia
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
Great question. All of the photographers I hired years ago for shoots of products etc use the Hasselblad. It was the camera they needed to have.
I don't know for sure but with the options today I doubt that many are sold. Could be wrong. Little story I bought myself (with wife approval) a Leica
small camera that sold for $1800 years ago. Wanted to shoot b&w and only range finder etc. It came and was beautiful looking. I looked at the bottom of the
camera and it said made in Japan. I was shocked. Then thought all of the cameras I had were made in Japan. I recently noticed that Nikon and
Sony were manufacturing in Thailand and other places. My newer RX10 III which is amazing for what a bridge can do was made in China.
I agree with the gentlemen who said Asia can build some really good stuff. They have 300,000 workers making iPhones.
Great question. All of the photographers I hired y... (show quote)

If the "small Leica" was a Leica CL, it was made by Minolta.

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Jan 9, 2017 10:33:40   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
i have used 500cm, 201f, 203fe and 205tcc, the latter 2 currently. as usual, nothing ever has gone wrong with my hasselblads. the Chinese investment in hasselblad is merely a financial boost to what they see as a continued advancement in the Swedish company.

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Jan 9, 2017 10:37:22   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
As they do in Volvo


the Chinese financial group Geely has invested over 1 billion dollars US in volvo and have left them alone to continue their development in Sweden. having owned 8 volvos since 1978, i can attest to their build and performance quality. currently i've the v60 awd r design with the polestar upgrade providing 362bhp and 347 foot pounds of torque. nice little station wagon.

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Jan 9, 2017 15:01:43   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
So why are we complaining about loosing jobs to China? I see everyone working here. And Buying Chinese goods.

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Jan 9, 2017 15:15:37   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
kenArchi wrote:
So why are we complaining about loosing jobs to China? I see everyone working here. And Buying Chinese goods.


Perhaps because you aren't seeing the people that aren't working and can't afford to buy Chinese goods?

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Jan 9, 2017 15:16:13   #
jjwig
 
Seems to me that China has progressed and profited so well that they can afford to buy much of the free world. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to deduct that if we stop buying their stuff, we might progress as well!

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Jan 9, 2017 17:48:28   #
Bugfan Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
kenArchi wrote:
So why are we complaining about loosing jobs to China? I see everyone working here. And Buying Chinese goods.


We are complaining about losing jobs to China because we are. But that's only the current trend. It started with Japan, then Korea, then Thailand, the plants get rebuilt wherever the labour rates are the cheapest. As a result China is actually in decline, their competition is now India and Bangladesh. And of course those two countries will only be the manufacturers for a few years as well until a new third world country opens up so that the west can rebuild its plants there.

Why are we complaining? Because that's our fault though it seems like most complainers don't realize this. The businesses simply do what businesses always do all over the world, they are looking for ways to cut costs and to be competitive. We drive them there by demanding ever lower prices and of course often in demanding this we don't just lose more jobs to some other country we often also lose quality in the zeal to make things cheaper.

I wonder sometimes as well if we actually do save money. Moving our manufacturing overseas saves cost and thus saves us money on the things we buy. But it also costs the country welfare payments and unemployment payments and retraining costs and many other things and these have to be paid through taxes. So while you're saving money on perhaps a hundred dollars on your next camera, you're also paying a lot of taxes perhaps two or three hundred dollars to subsidize all of the unemployed. Is that really a bargain? Wouldn't it be cheaper to pay a bit more and have the product manufactured locally in the country?

It's like that other thread too concerning buying online versus from a retailer. A large number of respondents go online because it's cheaper but then years later they are also the first to cry about the disappearance of camera stores they used to go to for advice and for an opportunity to try their options. When it comes to saving a few dollars very few people actually pause to ask the broader question of what's best for our society and also for ourselves when you take everything into account instead of only the price.

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Jan 9, 2017 18:42:55   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
The US jobless Rate in 2010 was 9.8%. In 2016 it is less than 5%.
That doesn't look like we are loosing jobs.

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Jan 9, 2017 19:04:00   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
kenArchi wrote:
The US jobless Rate in 2010 was 9.8%. In 2016 it is less than 5%.
That doesn't look like we are loosing jobs.


That totally depends on what is being counted, who is being ignored, and what those jobs are. Lies, damn lies and statistics!

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Jan 9, 2017 19:29:57   #
pendennis
 
kenArchi wrote:
The US jobless Rate in 2010 was 9.8%. In 2016 it is less than 5%.
That doesn't look like we are loosing jobs.


The Labor Force Participation rate is at rates not seen since the early-mid 1970's. It remains below 63%, and no economy can grow successfully with so few people participating in the economy. The LFP is the most accurate measurement of employment there is. The state-reported unemployment numbers are rife with political "adjustments"; failure to report on time, so-called "seasonal adjustments", all contribute to skewing statistical data.

The Labor Department statistics don't tell the true unemployment number. They ignore anyone who's not actively looking for a job. Those folks are de facto unemployed. Actual unemployment is probably over 15%, with some estimates as high as 20%.

While Obama likes to brag about the length of the recovery, it's a mile long, but only half an inch deep. GNP needs to grow at, or above 4%; and there have been too many months of less than 1%, even 0% reported even after 2012.

PS - The Labor Department purposely skewed unemployment numbers during the Great Depression to keep peace. Estimates of real unemployment during the period 1931-1942 ranged up to 40%, even higher in some states.

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