My Apple PowerBook 520c cost $6,500 in 1995 and it was awesome, 10" color screen. Times change and costs change. Both for the better in computers and DSLRs.
Best,
Todd Ferguson
Harrisburg, NC
Steve_m wrote:
Oh yeah? Do you remember Apple III? Apple GS? Apple Lisa? And you can go on and on.
I also remember Edsel, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile. What's your point?
davidrb
Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
freddayan wrote:
I was devastated , to put it mildly, when Apple discontinued Aperture last June, I thought it was the best App for photography in every sense. Lightroom doesn't come close to ease of organizing and editing!
Any thoughts?
Apple announced this in August of 2014. Been gone?
I still can't find anything that matches Aperture's organizing capabilities to fit my preferences, so I'm still using. Some quirky things bug me, but it still works great, and the best plug-ins, MacPhun, Affinity, Luminar and ON1, work seamlessly. Applie stopped officially supporting more than two years ago, by the way . . .
I teach photography to high end users including commercial photographers. Have had many switch from Aperture to Lightroom. Never had a request to go the other way. I have 90000+ images from my own concert photography. Can find any image in seconds. Even images that are on storage not plugged into computer. Can work on and edit these images and the next time the hd is powered up all the changes are there. Learn how to use Lightroom the time you invest is nothing compared to the ease of finding your images.
davidrb
Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
John Geyer wrote:
I teach photography to high end users including commercial photographers. Have had many switch from Aperture to Lightroom. Never had a request to go the other way. I have 90000+ images from my own concert photography. Can find any image in seconds. Even images that are on storage not plugged into computer. Can work on and edit these images and the next time the hd is powered up all the changes are there. Learn how to use Lightroom the time you invest is nothing compared to the ease of finding your images.
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John, Ben Willmore teaches several classes on Lightroom. He quite candidly claims he can find any one of his more than 250,000 images on file in "5 seconds or less". He knows the system inside and out so if he can do it Lightroom must have an excellent catalog manager. I also am in the transition from Aperture to Lightroom. The more I learn the more I like of Lightroom. It seems more imaginative and geared towards the end user than Aperture was. The feature you describe is very valuable to someone wanting to edit "on the fly" as it eliminates the need for the external during adjustments. Aperture was a typical Apple product. I enjoyed using it very much. But it was written, not for the user, but for Apple's own delight. Lightroom seems to beg the user to challenge it, and it answers the bell. Apple stopped down to "Photos" so it can serve the selfie-iPhone crowd. Both parties seem very satisfied with what they have. I wonder if Adobe has an annual thank-you party in Apple's honor.
dmagett
Loc: Albuquerque NM/Sedona AZ
I still use Aperture and occasionally iPhoto. They work just fine with the latest OSX's. I see absolutely no reason to abandon it. I dislike Adobe for their constantly wanting you to buy more every year.
I use NIK with Aperture and it does everything I want and more.
freddayan wrote:
I was devastated , to put it mildly, when Apple discontinued Aperture last June, I thought it was the best App for photography in every sense. Lightroom doesn't come close to ease of organizing and editing!
Any thoughts?
jaymatt wrote:
Do you remember all the Windows platforms that don't work anymore? I do.
I got annoyed as H*ll when I upgraded to Windows 7 from XP. Even MS Office had to be replaced with a newer version.
Thanks for raising that point. I was about to!
I was a dedicated Aperture user since its first release. It still works—but I’m not using it. Lightroom has similar capabilities (but let’s not diverge into a squabble over the differences). The storing of images is different, but they are still cataloged and editing is non-destructive. Aperture will eventually break as the OS develops. I have a box full of old apps that accumulated over the years that have long since been broken (yep, even some floppies!). Your only choice against that is to keep your old hardware running and forsake the newer features that come along on a daily basis.
Take a look at ON1 Photo RAW app, just out. Depending on your workflow and your needs, this looks like a powerful post-processing tool, with all or most of the capabilities of Lightroom or Aperture. I’m just getting started with it. You can use it as a Lightroom or Photoshop plug-in or get the full app and use it stand-alone.
Steve_m wrote:
Oh yeah? Do you remember Apple III? Apple GS? Apple Lisa? And you can go on and on.
Yes. I also remember Win 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, ME, NT, Vista, and 8.0, all of which were complete afterbirth on toast!
Win 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP, 7, and 10 were all good efforts.
The landscape is also littered with awful PC hardware.
Apple had its share, but the Apple IIe, Mac SE, Mac IIci and IIfx, SE30, Mac G4, PowerBook G4, most MacBook Pros, most Mac Pros, Intel Mac Minis, and most iMacs were real winners (I still have a G4 from 1999 that works great. It was driving a 44" Epson in the lab, 24/6, for five years.)
Every computer company lays a few rotten eggs. The question is, what do they do about it? I don't mind planned obsolescence if the replacement is a lot better!
burkphoto wrote:
Yes. I also remember Win 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, ME, NT, Vista, and 8.0, all of which were complete afterbirth on toast!
Win 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP, 7, and 10 were all good efforts.
The landscape is also littered with awful PC hardware.
Apple had its share, but the Apple IIe, Mac SE, Mac IIci and IIfx, SE30, Mac G4, PowerBook G4, most MacBook Pros, most Mac Pros, Intel Mac Minis, and most iMacs were real winners (I still have a G4 from 1999 that works great. It was driving a 44" Epson in the lab, 24/6, for five years.)
Every computer company lays a few rotten eggs. The question is, what do they do about it? I don't mind planned obsolescence if the replacement is a lot better!
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Apple IIe was actually Apple II+ with higher resolution graphics for which was Apple suppose to write an application, which newer happened. So, there goes the heralded feature. Nobody else could write it, because Apple would not release the architecture of the computer to any third party. That's what I am calling drop like a hot potato. The same happened with Apple III, for which Apple wrote 6 (six) programs. Then they issued an emulation disc, which made Apple III to run programs of Apple II. Apple III then become a $3,000.00 door stop. I don't know of any other computer maker who would jerk consumer like Apple did.
Steve_m wrote:
Apple IIe was actually Apple II+ with higher resolution graphics for which was Apple suppose to write an application, which newer happened. So, there goes the heralded feature. Nobody else could write it, because Apple would not release the architecture of the computer to any third party. That's what I am calling drop like a hot potato. The same happened with Apple III, for which Apple wrote 6 (six) programs. Then they issued an emulation disc, which made Apple III to run programs of Apple II. Apple III then become a $3,000.00 door stop. I don't know of any other computer maker who would jerk consumer like Apple did.
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I had a IIe. Bought it to program multi-image slide shows using the ClearLight Superstar system, and to run AppleWorks 1.3. Used it for 11 years, then multi-image died, shot dead by PowerPoint and digital video. Can't say I even knew it HAD special graphics capability. Bought a Mac SE when that came out.
The REAL Mac bastard was the IIvx, which was obsolete three months after release. That was a huge disappointment for buyers!
burkphoto wrote:
I had a IIe. Bought it to program multi-image slide shows using the ClearLight Superstar system, and to run AppleWorks 1.3. Used it for 11 years, then multi-image died, shot dead by PowerPoint and digital video. Can't say I even knew it HAD special graphics capability. Bought a Mac SE when that came out.
The REAL Mac bastard was the IIvx, which was obsolete three months after release. That was a huge disappointment for buyers!
There was a lot of reasons to fire Steve Jobs.
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