JPG + raw... (grumbing noise, coughing, basically upset) (Page 3): Sounds kind of like my husband and I - he goes fishing and I take pictures. It makes for a good combination, since...

SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont

Rongnongno wrote:

She is a fast learner and surprised me with the quality of some of her composition but her cameras were... well, not good enough for what she tries to do so, time for an upgrade.

While I was writing my crazy murder story in St Augustine she walking around and came out with a few things that made me 'wow!'.

In some way she is already better than I because i am way too unconventional when she is more 'classical'.

Sounds kind of like my husband and I - he goes fishing and I take pictures. It makes for a good combination, since some of our fishing expeditions take us to some very nice places here in Vermont.

Sounds like you are a murder mystery writer! My favorite genre to read.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

Between my wife and I we have four Panasonic cameras.

The ability to see thumbnails in Windows Explorer is missing. With the research I periodically have done for a few years, it is a Microsoft issue, not Panasonic. Adobe and others continue with RAW updates. Microsoft does not. Panasonic is not the troublemaker here.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

bsprague wrote:

Between my wife and I we have four Panasonic cameras.

The ability to see thumbnails in Windows Explorer is missing. With the research I periodically have done for a few years, it is a Microsoft issue, not Panasonic. Adobe and others continue with RAW updates. Microsoft does not. Panasonic is not the troublemaker here.

Let's pu it this way...

A car manufacturer of a new engine but it uses a new kind of fuel. And they will be the only one using it for eternity...

Who do you blame if the refineries do not produce this peculiar fuel? The refinery or the car manufacturer?

It is always easy to blame the OS, after all this is all you see most of the time. It is less to check what is truly going on. I also find strange that you do not know that MS does produce codecs for most of the major manufacturers and that the same manufacturers ALSO produce their own codecs.

So blame panasonic? HECK YES!

https://www.google.com/search?q=nikon+codecs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=canon+codecs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=panasonic+codecs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (2004~ 2009)
https://www.google.com/search?q=lumix+codecs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Hooray there is one!!! oops incompatiblehttps://www.google.com/search?q=sony+codecs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 (way down the list)

And so on....

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

Linary wrote:

If you have Win 10, the only codecs available are ... (show quote)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sagethumbs/
https://www.windows10download.com/microsoft-camera-codec-pack/

Raw codecs for Windows 10

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Reinaldokool wrote:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sagethumbs/
https://www.windows10download.com/microsoft-camera-codec-pack/

Raw codecs for Windows 10

But nor RW2... I have looked up and down... Sideways, even in my neither region w/o any result but stink...

Anyway, she has the +JPG. Not an ideal solution and she will have to get into the habit of clicking on the file next to it...

As I said, IT STINKS!!!

Then again, her camera if she adopts it. She likes it so far so, my grumbling. moaning and rants will not count for anything.

Same as if someone adopts a street cat... It becomes 'the cat or you'. I am lucky she is allergic to cats, likes big dogs as I do and... I like cats anyway so...

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Rongnongno wrote:

No disk. Link to software is on the web site wher... (show quote)

From the Panasonic web page on this camera:

"The software for PC is not bundled with DMC-LX10. Please use the software pre-installed to the PC or other general image viewing software to browse pictures."

"The software to process RAW file on PC is not bundled with DMC-LX10. To do this, SILKYPIX Developer Studio is available for download at Ichikawa Soft Laboratory's website using PC connected to the Internet."

walnut186 Loc: San Francisco

A Newby here. Interesting discussion going on. Anyway.. I started life with a Canon A-1 many years ago. When I switched to digital in the 80's I got my feet wet with a Panasonic - great little camera. My model did not have RAW but I didn't GAS - it worked just fine. It was small, light, slipped easily into any pocket, and hence was always available, so her reasoning for not wanting the D800 makes a lot of sense. I also abandoned the DSLR in favor of the smaller Sony A7r/A7rii series. Your wife will not be unhappy going with a smaller format body.

James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

Rongnongno wrote:

I do not need a converter, I have Adobe bridge but I rather use windows than have something else in between that loses its time trying to make 'catalogs or what not I do not need and she does not want either.

As to computing power she has plenty of it...

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Yes! Lightroom (To me that is) is "crap".... I was very happy Before I tried LR.... Then after looking at a LOT of VIDs on the YouTube thing, I sat down and tried to get my brain around it .. Took the entire day. Then the next day, I tried again and did something wrong. Every photograph file was Fu@ked up in the way that I really did NOT want or really need. - The so called "Catalogue System" was very difficult to work with as I kept looking for what I though as to were they were. So about halfway through the second day I called it Crap! I went back to Opening my images in RAW and using "Bridge" to call on for to process and bring them into CS-5 (Yep! Still making use of that cause I Know what it will do.)

I Gave my Lightroom to my son, who likes it (or so he says).

Please know that there are Many, many other photographers that are very happy with LR .. And That, in it's self, is a good thing. However, for me... Nope - perhaps too set in my ways after learning how to do things with Bridge and CS-5.

Jwshelton Loc: Denver,CO

Hope you are having a Merry Christmas!

Ratta Loc: California

burkphoto wrote:

There are no standard raw formats.

Yes there is: DNG. Adobe put this raw format out hoping hoping it would be adopted as a universal standard…much as PDFs have become ubiquitous in the text world. It's very easy to convert all sorts of raw images to DNG format with Adobe's free DNG converter. I have converted all my raw images to DNG from my Nikon, Sony, and Minolta cameras. Every piece of software I have (and I have a lot) recognizes the format and I notice no difference from the original raw formats.

walnut186 Loc: San Francisco

Yes, that is true. But I think the point that was being made was there is no standard RAW format among camera manufacturers (and probably never will be). So before you can possibly edit a "RAW" file in ANY software it must be read and processed. Adobe DNG needs the RAW file format lookup table created by the manufacturer in order to map data. So basically, without that RAW format, it can't do anything.

If I'm wrong about any of that I am glad to stand corrected.

Oh. Part 2: some of us no longer want to use Adobe software as we may not like it and/or have found some excellent products that work better than LR such as Capture One or ON1.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Ratta wrote:

Yes there is: DNG. Adobe put this raw format out hoping hoping it would be adopted as a universal standard…much as PDFs have become ubiquitous in the text world. It's very easy to convert all sorts of raw images to DNG format with Adobe's free DNG converter. I have converted all my raw images to DNG from my Nikon, Sony, and Minolta cameras. Every piece of software I have (and I have a lot) recognizes the format and I notice no difference from the original raw formats.

DNG is a PROPOSED standard with its definition in the public domain. It has not yet been adopted by any standards bearing body I know of. If it were a true standard, all digicams would save files in it, along with JPEG, and instead of proprietary raw formats.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Ratta wrote:

Yes there is: DNG. Adobe put this raw format out hoping hoping it would be adopted as a universal standard…much as PDFs have become ubiquitous in the text world. It's very easy to convert all sorts of raw images to DNG format with Adobe's free DNG converter. I have converted all my raw images to DNG from my Nikon, Sony, and Minolta cameras. Every piece of software I have (and I have a lot) recognizes the format and I notice no difference from the original raw formats.

DNG IS CRAP!!!!!

It is a format that can encapsulate anything INCLUDING a JPG so never assume you are looking as a raw when using this format.

imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida

Rongnongno wrote:

I found ONE good reason to use raw + JPG...

When the manufacturer does not give a **** about supporting its client!!!

I purchased a camera for my wife as 'announced' a few treads ago. Well, it has a RW2 raw format and this crap is not supported by anyone generic (Windows codecs, ACDSee) so she has to use Adobe Bridge (damn if I let her use LR).

So yes, I AM GRUMPY TODAY!!!

First and last purchase of a Panasonic camera.

Oh no, you HAVE to shoot JPEG - surely the world is coming to an end !

Ratta Loc: California

I meant that it was put out there with the "hope" that it would be adopted as a universal standard. Unfortunately none of the camera manufacturers have adopted it as a standard. I do believe that one camera manufacturer (I forget which one) has DNG as an option for its raw format choices.