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Nov 9, 2016 08:19:19   #
johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio
 
810 for sure. I am a Canon user, and all that I have read says the 810 does somewhat better with colors in lower light/high ISO situations. As for file size, who cares, you can get a big external hard drive. I recently bought an 8TB drive for $300. Small price in comparison to the cost of the camera. As for Nikon vs Canon, I guess you can get all kinds of opinions. They are both good.

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Nov 9, 2016 08:56:02   #
G_Manos Loc: Bala Cynwyd, PA
 
Goldwing2500 wrote:
About to pull the trigger on a Nikon Full frame camera. Just acquired the 14-24 2.8 and now I own the "Nikon Holy Trinity" and have been told that it might be a good idea to upgrade the camera to match the lenses. Looking at the 610, 750 or 810. Leaning toward the 810. Thoughts anyone? Currently own the D90 for the last 6 years.
I'm with those who think that the choice depends on what you shoot. My advice: if you can afford it, and IF your main objective is personal photography or portraiture, go with the D810. If you shoot pro or semi-pro and resources (cost, computing capability) are a limiting factor, then go with the D750. Benefits include that the D750 is a really good camera and file size is manageable.

Faced with the same decision, I went with the D750 because I shoot events, generating maybe 200-300 images per event, and I am SO happy I did. The bug-a-boo with the D810 is the file size when shooting RAW. Customers want fast turnover, and plowing through tons of huge files takes time, even with a fast computer, especially when post-processing is necessary. Dealing with lots of huge files gets old quickly, I can promise. Overall, the D750 has exceeded my expectations as to sensor sensitivity, metering, and focusing in low light-high ISO conditions at reasonable file size. Along with the holy trinity of lenses, that combination plus a good speedlight will take you a long way.

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Nov 9, 2016 09:02:43   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
G_Manos wrote:
I'm with those who think that the choice depends on what you shoot. My advice: if you can afford it, and IF your main objective is personal photography or portraiture, go with the D810. If you shoot pro or semi-pro and resources (cost, computing capability) are a limiting factor, then go with the D750. Benefits include that the D750 is a really good camera and file size is manageable.

Faced with the same decision, I went with the D750 because I shoot events, generating maybe 200-300 images per event, and I am SO happy I did. The bug-a-boo with the D810 is the file size when shooting RAW. Customers want fast turnover, and plowing through tons of huge files takes time, even with a fast computer, especially when post-processing is necessary. Dealing with lots of huge files gets old quickly, I can promise. Overall, the D750 has exceeded my expectations as to sensor sensitivity, metering, and focusing in low light-high ISO conditions at reasonable file size. Along with the holy trinity of lenses, that combination plus a good speedlight will take you a long way.
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The LCD flip screen is nice on the D750.

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Nov 9, 2016 10:56:18   #
SteveLew Loc: Sugar Land, TX
 
I currently own the Nikon d610, love it. However, my next camera purchase would skip the d750 and go directly to the d810. Serious consideration should be what kind of photography that you practice. My main focus is on landscape. As our first FF, I would suggest to go with the d750 for an all around DSLR. If you are serious about landscape photography I would go directly to a refurbished d810.

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Nov 9, 2016 11:15:24   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Goldwing2500 wrote:
About to pull the trigger on a Nikon Full frame camera. Just acquired the 14-24 2.8 and now I own the "Nikon Holy Trinity" and have been told that it might be a good idea to upgrade the camera to match the lenses. Looking at the 610, 750 or 810. Leaning toward the 810. Thoughts anyone? Currently own the D90 for the last 6 years.


Without hesitation I would recommend the D810. I have a pair of D800s and I shoot everything - landscapes, sporting events like HS Soccer and LaCrosse, Equine competitions, portraiture, macro, auto racing, motorcycle racing, birds in flight, street photography, Pro Table Tennis competitions, product and other commercial photography, architectural and real estate, etc. There is nothing I can't use the camera for that would make me want to use something else.

There are a lot of people that believe that you just can't do a good job using this camera for action sports and other subjects. Well, I am from the old school, where we did what we could initially with single frame advance 35mm cameras, then later with motor drives that could do 4 fps. About the same as my D800. We, including myself, managed somehow to capture excellent action shots with that primitive gear. I don't buy the hype. The D810 is 5 fps, which is more than enough. And the image quality is unmatched by just about any FX format camera, including the Canon 5DS R - though admittedly it's pretty close. The Nikon still holds a slight advantage in shot noise, dynamic range, camera noise and overexposure tolerance.

The D610 is mostly menu driven, making it slow to use, and the D750 has a few advantages - like the articulated LCD preview screen, slightly more advanced AF system, built in WiFi, 6.5 fps in full frame mode, lighter smaller package and $1000 lower price. However, the D810 has a 33% longer expected shutter life, a flash sync speed of up to 1/250 sec, a better viewfinder (better coatings for less reflections and clearer view), and where the rubber meets the road - better dynamic range, more megapixels, 1 stop improvement in low light sensitivity (for low light focusing), a viewfinder shutter to keep out extraneous light while making long exposures, no low-pass filter on the sensor, and a body that has an operational feel like the other entry level professional bodies that preceded it. This is not a night and day difference. In fact, the differences are actually pretty subtle in most cases, and you are not likely to see the difference when comparing images. But the reasons for buying a D750 instead of a D810 are often overblown, and vice versa.

That being said, the better camera is the D810. Though the D750 is no slouch. The D610 is in a different and lower, league.

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Nov 9, 2016 12:24:20   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
Goldwing2500 wrote:
About to pull the trigger on a Nikon Full frame camera. Just acquired the 14-24 2.8 and now I own the "Nikon Holy Trinity" and have been told that it might be a good idea to upgrade the camera to match the lenses. Looking at the 610, 750 or 810. Leaning toward the 810. Thoughts anyone? Currently own the D90 for the last 6 years.


I guess it depends on what you want a FF for? Do you plan to publish? Do you plan very large posters or billboards? If not what use will FF be to you? If you just want better personal photos that's fine. I can't afford such a camera so I stick with the one I have but if you have the budget and just want it then go for it.

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Nov 9, 2016 12:38:17   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The LCD flip screen is nice on the D750.


After using an Olympus EM-1 for a while, I DO miss that flip out LCD! Didn't realise how much it can help.

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Nov 9, 2016 12:56:34   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Remember the Df.

If my memory is ok, I believe you have mentioned the Df before. I wonder what types of photography you prefer that is best served by the Df. I have looked longingly at the Df several times, but now have an expensive lens (16-80f2.8/4/0 DX) and a 55-300 3.5/5.6 for my D5300. I doubt that I could effectively use either of these on a Df body. I would value your comments, please.

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Nov 9, 2016 13:05:34   #
Jim Bob
 
Goldwing2500 wrote:
About to pull the trigger on a Nikon Full frame camera. Just acquired the 14-24 2.8 and now I own the "Nikon Holy Trinity" and have been told that it might be a good idea to upgrade the camera to match the lenses. Looking at the 610, 750 or 810. Leaning toward the 810. Thoughts anyone? Currently own the D90 for the last 6 years.


There are many Internet articles on this subject. One of my favorites is written by Ken Rockwell: http://kenrockwell.com/nikon/comparisons/d810-vs-d750.htm

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Nov 9, 2016 13:06:10   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Dan De Lion wrote:
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All three are fine cameras. If you do a lot of studio work the 810 is the camera to get. You'll need a solid heavy tripod to take advantage of the 36mph sensor. Likewise defraction reduces quality after f8. For an all round body the 750 can't be beat. Think of it as a field camera with a faster frame rate and the very useful U settings. It is also lighter which, with the three lenses you have, makes a difference. When hand held, both take equally sharp pictures.

I'm sure some 810 owners will find the above disturbing, unfortunately I'll be unable to respond to their bellowing. Satellite internet service is spotty and slow in the Red Sea area. I own both an 810 and 2 750s.

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I keep on hearing this from you and other D750 owners. But you are different. You actually have the better camera as well. As I suggested in a previous discussion, maybe you are underrating the D8XX cameras because of reasons other than image quality. Like maybe there is something wrong with yours. I routinely use my D800s in the field. Here are some examples of recent shots, hand held, using a D800 and a Sigma 150-600 and other lenses. In the field. No solid heavy tripod. In fact, I chose these because I did not use a tripod at all, except for the frosty leaf, where I used a lightweight (under 2 lbs - Feisol CT3442) that I take when I backpack into the woods.

Are you really not getting results like this with your D810 in the field? I really believe your camera may be due for a checkup.

Hope you can get this sorted out.

I know for a fact I could not have gotten these results with a D750 - many are cropped down to just a small percentage of the original image size, like 2600x2000 (5.2mp, 14.4%) from 7360x4912, or in the case of the hummingbird and dark eyed junco - as small as 1607x1927 (3.1 mp, 8%) and 2400x1700 (5.1 mp, 14.1% ) respectively - and the D750 doesn't have as many pixels to crop from as the D8XX cameras do. FYI, an 8% crop on a 24mp camera would have given me 1.92 mp, and the image quality would not have been as good as the images cropped from the 36mp sensor.


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Nov 9, 2016 13:09:22   #
rmm0605 Loc: Atlanta GA
 
Great shots!

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Nov 9, 2016 13:40:31   #
Dan De Lion Loc: Montana
 
rmm0605 wrote:
Well, not knowing what you like to shoot (or much of anything else!), you'll find the 810 to be top notch. You can do almost anything with it. I use mine almost exclusively. The 750 is also a great camera and is a more recent model than the 810. It has fewer pixels, but 24m is enough for most everything you'd shoot. It's less expensive and has more presets than the 810. The 810 is a true pro camera.

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The 750 is also a true pro camera. Take it from a pro.

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Nov 9, 2016 13:46:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
rmm0605 wrote:
Great shots!


Thanks! I just needed to debunk the nonsense that says that the D800 is less desirable in the field. I don't find that at all. And I have used D4/D5, D750, D500 - all supposedly better cameras in the field. Well, it really has less to do with the gear than what you do with it. I would love Mr. DDL to post some examples of his professional work to illustrate his point, whatever it might be.

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Nov 9, 2016 14:02:54   #
rmm0605 Loc: Atlanta GA
 
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks! I just needed to debunk the nonsense that says that the D800 is less desirable in the field. I don't find that at all. And I have used D4/D5, D750, D500 - all supposedly better cameras in the field. Well, it really has less to do with the gear than what you do with it. I would love Mr. DDL to post some examples of his professional work to illustrate his point, whatever it might be.


Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Nov 9, 2016 14:05:26   #
SteveTog Loc: Philly
 
I own the D800. It is an unforgiving pixel eater - meaning that if your focus isn't perfect, you have 36 megapixels of glaring proof. That being said, I think that it is an awesome camera - especially for the studio, on a tripod, and anywhere you have the time to ensure PERFECT focus. I'd probably go with the D750 if I wanted a FX 'do everything' camera, which is why I have a second, DX body. I want a lighter travel kit.

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