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Oct 4, 2016 22:02:10   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
shutterbob wrote:
It should be obvious as it has been said many times, and is true......"a handgun should not be carried because it is comfortable, but because it is comforting". A 380 is not of sufficient power to reliably stop an attacker, which is why it is not chosen by police departments as a primary weapon. A 9mm is far superior, a 40 or 45 better yet. If you choose to carry, it might as well be a caliber powerful enough to get the job done.


Wouldn't that depend upon whether you choose to use it or not? Clearly a large caliber has more stopping power, but several rounds from a smaller caliber would still slow things down a bit. Psychologically just the visible presence of a weapon may change the equation at the moment in time, but just using a weapon of any caliber could completely change your life. In most circumstances not for the better. This is not computer game stuff where you get the option to 'play again?'

Right or wrong, wielding or using a firearm is usually a life altering experience.

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Oct 4, 2016 22:11:03   #
billnourse Loc: Bloomfield, NM
 
Peterff wrote:


Right or wrong, wielding or using a firearm is usually a life altering experience.


I would say the this is not usually the case, but always the case, and should never be entered into lightly. No one who has not been in the situation can know, but anyone that chooses to carry must always be aware of the possible life altering consequences of their choices and decisions.

Bill

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Oct 4, 2016 22:21:22   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
billnourse wrote:
I would say the this is not usually the case, but always the case, and should never be entered into lightly. No one who has not been in the situation can know, but anyone that chooses to carry must always be aware of the possible life altering consequences of their choices and decisions.

Bill


You sound like a responsible gun owner to me.

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Oct 4, 2016 22:24:57   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
19104 wrote:
This reminds me of a funny story that happened to me. Back in the early 70's I had a studio in Center city Philadelphia. After a long day of shooting me and my best friend went to get something to eat. We walked thru a quaint little park called Rittenhouse square. i had an old woodside suitcase and in it I had My RB-67 with three lenses and 2 backs and about 20 rolls of 220 film, and a Leica M3 around my neck. We walked by this guy who was shooting with a ricoh 35mm camera. When he say two big black guys coming toward him, he hid his camera under his coat, and almost ran out of the park. What was so funny to me was that the film I had was worth more than his camera.
This reminds me of a funny story that happened to ... (show quote)


Having grown up in Philly, I can understand this.

I always lower my camera when anyone walks by, unless they're too young to be able to reach it.

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Oct 4, 2016 22:30:09   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
CLP1943 wrote:
Hi everyone.

Along with other lenses I have a Canon 70-200 L lens.
I'm wondering if any of you use this lens as an all around lens.
And if you do, when you are out doing street photos and anything
and everything shots are you looking over your shoulder because
that white lens is making you a target for mugging or theft?
Just wondering.


Get a CCW.

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Oct 4, 2016 22:35:06   #
Robeng Loc: California
 
CLP1943 wrote:
Hi everyone.

Along with other lenses I have a Canon 70-200 L lens.
I'm wondering if any of you use this lens as an all around lens.
And if you do, when you are out doing street photos and anything
and everything shots are you looking over your shoulder because
that white lens is making you a target for mugging or theft?
Just wondering.


Use common sense and know you're surrounding.

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Oct 4, 2016 22:45:00   #
JosephSF Loc: Sonoma County CA
 
billnourse wrote:
What a foolish thing to say about people you know nothing about. I spent 4 years in defense of my country(USMC) and another 20 years as a police officer in service to my community so I doubt I will loose it. Someday a hilarious old guy might save your a$$, in the meantime, you might want to keep your snarky remarks to yourself.

Bill


Oh so sensitive. I'm sure he will be more gentle with you in the future now that he knows your feelings get hurt so easily.

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Oct 4, 2016 23:30:59   #
shutterbob Loc: Tucson
 
billnourse wrote:
Police departments and military are often required to take offensive roles at extended distances. Personal self defense is going to be up close and personal and as such, I feel that the .380 with modern ammo is satisfactory if not ideal.

Bill


Most of the schools around the country that specialize in self defense with a handgun recommend against depending on a 380 for that purpose. Bullet is just too light and moves too slowly to be a reliable stopper, especially if it needs to first penetrate heavy clothing. Most schools teach that if this is your caliber of choice, your best bet to stop an attack is a head shot, which unfortunately leaves little possibility that your adversary will survive. A 40 or 45 caliber slug is much more likely to stop an attack with a center of mass (chest) shot, also giving the attacker a better chance of survival. Stopping the attack should be the goal, not killing the attacker. A 380, while better than throwing rocks, is vastly inferior to the major calibers.

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Oct 5, 2016 06:51:06   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
Only once, ever, did I shoot in a location too dangerous, at least according to the cop who drove up and explained it to me. I took a few more frames and left the area. It was in Miami, but not in "the good area." I just liked the graffiti. This is a shot in the "bad" area.


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Oct 5, 2016 08:15:18   #
raferrelljr Loc: CHARLOTTE, NC
 
I always carry a couple of friends.............Smith and Wesson.

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Oct 5, 2016 08:47:41   #
rdubreuil Loc: Dummer, NH USA
 
Yes, I have the same concerns. Good equipment isn't cheap and everyone knows it. One suggestion (as I don't shot Cannon) would be after market lens covers. Many wildlife photographers use camo style covers to help them remain less detectable to the wildlife they are trying to capture in images. They may also be available in black or muted dark colors like dark grey.

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Oct 5, 2016 08:48:56   #
billnourse Loc: Bloomfield, NM
 
shutterbob wrote:
Most of the schools around the country that specialize in self defense with a handgun recommend against depending on a 380 for that purpose. Bullet is just too light and moves too slowly to be a reliable stopper, especially if it needs to first penetrate heavy clothing. Most schools teach that if this is your caliber of choice, your best bet to stop an attack is a head shot, which unfortunately leaves little possibility that your adversary will survive. A 40 or 45 caliber slug is much more likely to stop an attack with a center of mass (chest) shot, also giving the attacker a better chance of survival. Stopping the attack should be the goal, not killing the attacker. A 380, while better than throwing rocks, is vastly inferior to the major calibers.
Most of the schools around the country that specia... (show quote)


Nothing to disagree with here and very good food for thought for redlegfrog who asked the original question.

Bill

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Oct 5, 2016 08:49:38   #
rdubreuil Loc: Dummer, NH USA
 
I bring a friend along too when out in the field, SIG P226...

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Oct 5, 2016 10:09:44   #
rdubreuil Loc: Dummer, NH USA
 
Hey Bill,

Take a look at the P938 from Sig Sauer. Same size as a P238 (.380 Auto) in 9mm, just a little more girth front to back in the grip, both are 6 +1 capacity.
P938/P238





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Oct 5, 2016 11:24:47   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
rdubreuil wrote:
....as I don't shot Cannon....


Dragging a cannon behind you might be a little obvious, plus the read-aim-fire sequence isn't very quick!

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