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Sep 30, 2016 15:20:30   #
coj Loc: NJ, USA
 
You see if you use a cell phone you are just like every one else, some bonehead with an iphone. If you have a real camera, especially one with a big zoom lens, there must be a mini AR14 in there somewhere, so you are a terrorist wannabe.

hcmcdole wrote:
It was from the parking lot of the mall. Maybe they considered the parking lot their private property to protect against a camera? I guess I could've walked to the public road 100 yards away and gotten the same photos with a telephoto (provided trees did not block the view - this would seem more spy like to me). I was just taking photos of the large toys outside FAO Schwarz at the Mall of Georgia. Maybe they thought I was there to steal designs of a toy store or a mall design. (Just kidding).

I just googled that mall and I can see hundreds of photos. Maybe the cell phone has broken the taboo of taking pictures of a mall... Certainly nothing to write home about.
It was from the parking lot of the mall. Maybe th... (show quote)



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Sep 30, 2016 16:03:14   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Motorbones wrote:
As a neighborhood watch coordinator, I'd probably walk out there, photograph the license plate and casually but firmly inform him that I'm with neighborhood watch and ask what is he doing. Remain inquisitive and non-confrontational. Next step, report it to the local authorities as a suspicious unknown person in my neighborhood if his response wasn't acceptable.... Yes, I've done this before...


As soon as you ask "What are you doing", you ARE being confrontational. A better question would be, Hello their, my name is __________, and I am the neighborhood watch coordinator, may I assist you in your project, which is?

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Sep 30, 2016 16:11:22   #
hcmcdole
 
coj wrote:
You see if you use a cell phone you are just like every one else, some bonehead with an iphone. If you have a real camera, especially one with a big zoom lens, there must be a mini AR14 in there somewhere, so you are a terrorist wannabe.





Ain't that the truth!! Kind of hard to stop an army of cell phones.

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Sep 30, 2016 16:40:26   #
Bob Werre
 
In mall situations, I've been asked by the mall managers to photograph the stores both indoors and out where a store or two have tried to stop me--seems they think the window displays are secret? I've also been asked by or with their blessing to photograph in individual stores in a mall and have had to deal with some rent-a-cop with his hands blocking my view. All this takes precious time when your dropping $$ on models, assistants and whatever!

If some terrorist/crepe needs you see my property he can just use Google earth and spot my dog in the backyard--he doesn't need to stop by the neighborhood. There are street level views too. I've been known to check on them while planning to shoot in the area. Our tax department uses satellite views to set my tax rate too.

I was on assignment last week on my first drone assisted assignment just photographing a pond for a water district. We sent the drone to the far side of the property to cover the property view back to us. I didn't realize we were just above a mobile home park. I didn't realize it but some 'overly' concerned guy could have blasted it fairly easily.

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Sep 30, 2016 16:54:34   #
dreamon
 
Ron SS wrote:
Mall and store parking areas typically are not just considered private property, they ARE private property. There is usually a property owner who leases to stores. This is a matter of owner control, whether a customer considers it an imposition or not. There may be considerations and past experiences you are not aware of. The owner has responsibilities and imposing restrictions may be one way to help provide for patron safety. One size fits all may not seem friendly, but it makes the owner's job easier.
Mall and store parking areas typically are not jus... (show quote)


Wrong. Any place open to the pubic is considered public, and photography is allowed. Malls included. This does not, however, include inside specific stores.

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Sep 30, 2016 17:00:04   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
dreamon wrote:
Wrong. Any place open to the pubic is considered public, and photography is allowed. Malls included. This does not, however, include inside specific stores.


That is not correct. Malls are private property that are open to the public.

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Sep 30, 2016 17:03:34   #
dreamon
 
Mac wrote:
That is not correct. Malls are private property that are open to the public.


You need to check that fact, perhaps, with a law website that caters to photographers. I did.

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Sep 30, 2016 17:07:24   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
dreamon wrote:
You need to check that fact, perhaps, with a law website that caters to photographers. I did.


Well if you did, the web site lied to you.

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Sep 30, 2016 17:13:32   #
Ron SS Loc: Silver Spring, MD
 
Do be careful in generalizing to not confuse OK to photograph in public, with how the product, with identifiable individuals (and how public they are), is allowed to be used.
Get a legal opinion, which may need consider local ordinances.

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Sep 30, 2016 17:22:12   #
dreamon
 
Mac wrote:
Well if you did, the web site lied to you.


If you are on private property, such as in a store, shopping mall, sports arena or theater, then you need permission from the property owner to photograph. If you take pictures against instructions not to do so then the property owner has the right to ask you to stop and/or to leave. If you refuse, you can be arrested for trespass. However the simple act of taking a photograph there isn't illegal and you do not have to surrender your camera, your film or memory card and you do not have to show your images to any security personnel or delete your images. You can simply leave the area if told that photography isn't allowed.

As I said before, use common sense.

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Sep 30, 2016 17:42:05   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
JD750 wrote:
Have you house ever been burglarized? If so you might feel very differently about strangers in your neighborhood.

And people, including kids, live in those buildings. They have rights too, such as a right to ask what is going on. A little good will and communication can go a long way for everybody involved.


Here is some interesting information for you. Please make sure to read the section about what "can" be photographed from public areas.

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

Just how, pray tell, would you differentiate me, standing in the street taking a photo of a house, from the Google spy car, the results of which may be seen on the internet merely by posting your address. Go ahead, type in your address.

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Sep 30, 2016 18:06:11   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
This video by the ACLU is targeted primarily at protesters....but should you get questioned because because somebody objected that you took a photo of them in a public place, or you were seen taking a photo of their home, this short video does include some good legal information.

http://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/photographers-what-do-if-you-are-stopped-or-detained-taking-photographs?redirect=kyr-photo


So....Feel free to shoot anything if you're in a public place. Step onto private property, however, and there may be some restrictions.

Remember, there are cameras everywhere photographing us without permission. Why should YOUR camera be any different?

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Sep 30, 2016 18:29:33   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Mac wrote:
That is not correct. Malls are private property that are open to the public.


As an Architect doing remodel work on malls they can control what you photograph.

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Sep 30, 2016 18:32:33   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
rpavich wrote:
Lol...my thoughts?

The level of paranoia is reaching epidemic proportions.



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Sep 30, 2016 18:57:51   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Mac wrote:
It happens regularly?

Check the news' web pages. This area is through another round of meth and heroin addicts needing money. Currently I believe Snohomish County has the most openly-reported heroin problem. Kitsap and Pierce counties each continue to see an increasing number of meth-related incidents.

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