cameranut Loc: North Carolina

What you are referring to has more to do with a lack of common (uncommon today) manners. I see this quite often. One example would be someone in front of my 95 year old mother with a ton of groceries making my mother wait behind when she only has 2 items.
One thing I haven't see addressed yet is would be photographers causing animal deaths by taking selfies. We don't have that right either.

AzGriz Loc: Sedona, Arizona

[quote=Rongnongno]The more I read some threads (that are multiplying) the more I realize that this older crowd is like the 'Millennium' generation. Everyone here thinks they have all 'rights' since they have a camera and can take a capture anywhere, anytime anyhow.

I totally agree with your comments. It's sad, but true.

Akron1950 Loc: Akron, Ohio

I just want to shoot the subject! Here I am camera ready for the shot and some jerk and his followers jump into my view finder!! NOW, THAT gives way to me thinking that the OTHERS (meaning WE) are idiots, excuse me for wanting to "take a picture" (as the laymen say it)!!! That's just my right to do so, I'm out in pubic where I can. If I wanted (and have) to take a photo of someone and was worried about privacy issues just ask them if it's ok, go as far as having them sign there name and what ever. Also...........you, the one who thinks there right is more greater than mine......don't walk in front of my lens when you know I shooting a photo!!! That shows me your an idiot!

G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK

People are quoting common decency...Got to ask how you judge that in an age of Facebook, twitter and reality TV. Seems common decency has gone out of the window. In the 60's opening a door for a lady was general: in the 70's it became sexist. Giving up your seat to an elderly person, would you see them whilst texting and who would dare suggest it? My generation rarely used profanities when ladies were present in the room, now it is the ladies swearing as often as not. We have outrage at breast feeding in public, yet fashion leaves little to cover up and that which is worn may as well be painted on. Young people are confused as different statutes and government departments still class them as 'non adults' up to 25 years old. Not only can they choose their ethnicity but their sexuality and gender. Adults need to be 'careful' as to how they treat this generation as everything is becoming a 'grey area' as far as authority, rights and responsibilities are concerned.

It is not the me me generation that has problems, it is every generation. Choosing how to live your life is no longer a personal choice as the contradictions within authority, law and the interpretation of what is 'your right' has become a morass. Much of our behaviour was once taught within religion. Sadly this seems to be a major headache when society now holds all religions suspect. We have all been encouraged to become individuals and secular rather than as a part of community. 'Do unto others,as they would do unto you' (preferably before they do it to you) has undone 'as you would like them to do unto you'.

Photography is reacting to these changes. Everyone can be anything they desire (apparently). Skilled labour is now an endangered species. Ask what qualification those doing(anything) have, in all walks of life. You will get a blank look at best or two week training course as average. We might as well be back in the 50's when wearing the right tie was all it took to rise to the top. In the UK we are loosing the young going to university because 'celebrities' and 'entrepreneurs' publicly announce their lack of basic education. Cost plays a part but then in The USA cost has always been there and we have kind of got used to it over the last 20 years.

Ethics is dead. Waiting quietly is dead. Politeness gets you ignored. Asking for help from anyone in authority is a waste of breath (as they don't know). So people do as they want until stopped Legally, illegally or painfully, then complain.

Looking at the past is great, however society is now changing much faster than ever before. Perhaps we see this in Europe more than in The States. We used to be called reserved, stiff upper lip and quaintly old fashioned. Now being 'British' means multi ethnic, multi argumentative, multi rights and multi lifestyle. Unfortunately we do not have your 'Bible Belt', Back Woodsmen, diverse Rural communities etc. to slow down the impact of City Lifestyles. Every generation in every town is becoming forced into using the Internet and therefore immured in 'modernity'. Like it or not. Granny has her Iphone, and can see what everyone is saying and doing. Silver surfing gives precedence to anything the young can do - so can they. (plus they have the money to do it much better than their children) So even the moral high-ground (age) has become eroded.

In the end it comes back to the individual and their circle of contacts. The micro community in which they inhabit daily. We have always been influenced by our friends and the 'smaller society' this creates. That being so, an internet group can influence its members. Perhaps UHH should look as to how that would achieve a 'standard'. How it police's argument and how it influences members behaviour. We learn photography from each other so why not a set of real world 'rules'. Every Club has rules!!

Have fun, apparently it is your human right to do so,all of the time!

Rongnongno Loc: FL

When you do, record it for posterity!!!!!

LaoXiang

I might not have read the laws too carefully, but I read them, and as far as I know, once a person goes into a public space one can indeed capture that person's image at will. The law controls what you can do with that photo in terms of publishing.

Also,as far as I know from my possibly incorrect reading of the laws, I can publish any photo of a group or scene without a release, but cannot publish a photo which features an individual without a release. Laws might vary by region.

Weddings, that is different because as an invited guest, there is an unspoken contract that I will behave according to some standard set by the people staging the wedding---including either taking or not taking photos, So Long As this is clearly stated. On the other hand, i have never heard of casual guests at weddings trying to sell their photos.

Concert venues---nobody reads the back of the ticket, but also most concert promoters and auditorium owners seem to realize that the good will gained by not kicking people out for taking crappy cellphone video is worth more than letting attendees take said video would cost them. Some might start cracking down ... on the other hand I have never heard of someone trying to bring a professional camera into a show to take shots from somewhere in the crowd.

I agree with you that the basic rules of recording rights are sort of lost to the latest generation. On the other other hand, I don't see a lot of people releasing serious bootleg recordings---there is no money in it any more, since anybody can record anything with a phone.

Copyright infringement is a bit of an issue---but here the real issue is not the guy who sees a picture online and sends it to a friend, it is the semi-pro or pro website which steals photos online and uses them on that website without crediting the photographer. That's why most photographers use a watermark which is repeated or stretched enough to cover the whole photo. it's a pain, but that is not being done by someone who is ignorant, but rather by someone who totally knows s/he is stealing. That kind of person certainly shows "total lack of respect toward everyone else right to privacy, make a living and ethics" but it isn't what you are addressing in your post.

Anyway, I am having a rare good day and don't want to get upset about this. if I am going to get upset, I will reserve my ill feeling for something like organ-harvesting.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Yeah,hit the nail on the head! Another self righteous and disrespectful person!

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Point made? Yes,you come first,we got it. Great excuse for prison guards in WW2.

photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA

This isn't a new phenomenon. Back in the 70s, as I was learning photography, I read a number of photography magazines and photographers regularly published article with photos of Hasidic Jews in Israel who did not want their photos taken on religious grounds. The photographers/writers didn't care; they thought it a major trophy to photograph a Hasidic Jew with their hands over their face, or their hands trying to block the lens.

Whenever I see an interesting person I would like to photograph, I go to them, give them my card, and ask permission (even if they are in a public place). If they say no, I thank them for their time and go on my way. If they say yes, I ask for their e-mail address and promise to send them a copy of the photo (which I do).

The only time I didn't ask permission was when I photographed a nude beach in California; I was too far away to ask permission (tee-hee).

BebuLamar

I don't do street shooting of people any more. However, I would love to photograph the photographers I see on the streets but I am reluctant to do so. I am even reluctant to ask for permission. You think it's OK to photograph the photographers?

Bill_de Loc: US

I took two semesters with Lou Stettner when he taught at C.W. Post on Long Island. I also shot with him on several occasions afterwards. His attitude was ' get the photograph' by any means possible ... legal or otherwise. He called me one night and said 'we' are going to DC tomorrow to shoot some demonstration. When I told him I was going to work in the morning he told me to forget about the job. He promised to give me all the paper and film I needed. I decided to go to work since in addition to film, I needed money for food and rent. While I admire a lot of his photographs, I'm glad I went to work that day and eventually turned my lens from people to birds and kept photography as a hobby.

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SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Maybe that's why the Hasidic Jews weren't asked(tee-hee).
You weren't there to know!!!
SS

Jackdoor Loc: Huddersfield, Yorkshire.

Ironically, in my experience the 'me too' generation is my own- 50s to 70s. The most respectful people I meet as a doctor are the younger end- teens to thirties. But the key with all ages is to show respect to them first.

Jackdoor Loc: Huddersfield, Yorkshire.

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"just because its legal doesn't mean its right" also can be seen as "just because its illegal doesn't mean its wrong"

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Sorry, no, that statement is completely illogical, making links that just aren't there.

jimmya Loc: Phoenix

It's the "etiquette" part that comes into play here. Even though it's legal to stand on public ground and shoot anything that's visible is it nice? Probably not. That's why I don't to street photography - and especially not share it on the web. Etiquette is important.