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Jun 23, 2016 14:44:44   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
kd7eir wrote:
I understand you do not care about intelligence, every word that you write here proves that.

As for addressing the issue, the NRA stated that having a bunch of armed people in a dark, noisy, nightclub is NOT THE ANSWER. That means that the NRA stated that a good guy with a gun in the nightclub would NOT HAVE BEEN THE ANSWER.

So, if your exalted NRA says that having a bunch of armed people in that nightclub was not a good idea, that pretty much debunks the entire "gOod guy with a gun" myth.

If you need FURTHER PROOF, there was an ARMED POLICE OFFICER in the club that was 100% USELESS AGAINST THE SHOOTER. What did that prove? That a "good guy with a gun" was NOT THE ANSWER.
I understand you do not care about intelligence, e... (show quote)


Oh! My! Another smug self important liberal, as if we didn't have enough of them.

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Jun 23, 2016 15:04:46   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
phcaan wrote:
Oh! My! Another smug self important liberal, as if we didn't have enough of them.


You mean there's another kind of Liberal?

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Jun 23, 2016 15:16:11   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
kd7eir wrote:
I understand you do not care about intelligence, every word that you write here proves that.

As for addressing the issue, the NRA stated that having a bunch of armed people in a dark, noisy, nightclub is NOT THE ANSWER. That means that the NRA stated that a good guy with a gun in the nightclub would NOT HAVE BEEN THE ANSWER.

So, if your exalted NRA says that having a bunch of armed people in that nightclub was not a good idea, that pretty much debunks the entire "gOod guy with a gun" myth.

If you need FURTHER PROOF, there was an ARMED POLICE OFFICER in the club that was 100% USELESS AGAINST THE SHOOTER. What did that prove? That a "good guy with a gun" was NOT THE ANSWER.
I understand you do not care about intelligence, e... (show quote)


He was outside in the parking lot and didn't see Mateen until he was going in the door. As per procedure he did not go inside without backup. After the first shootings Mateen attempted to come out and the officer working security and two others who had shown up exchanged shots with him and Mateen went back in and started shooting people all over again. Again as per procedure the officers did not go in, they waited for SWAT to arrive. Later SWAT stormed the building and drove Mateen into the bathroom. Shots were exchanged and finally 3 hours after it started they entered the bathroom and killed Mateen.

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Jun 23, 2016 21:59:17   #
BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I don't know there are several videos online of good guys with guns stopping armed robberies... just sayin.


Hell, Blurry, we need only to look at the source for his article to know that it is bullshit!

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Jun 24, 2016 01:11:25   #
Zophman Loc: Northwest
 
If only one death is prevented by a good guy with a gun......

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Jun 24, 2016 03:52:25   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
I really believe that if a gunman, who came into a club to kill as many people as he could, and was killed by someone who had a CCP and a gun and was just there to have a good time with friends it would not get as much press because it didn't fit the liberal agenda for gun control. I'm sure Odumbo would never call a press conference to thank the person for having a gun and saving many lives.

Rich

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Jun 24, 2016 10:54:21   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
richosob wrote:
I really believe that if a gunman, who came into a club to kill as many people as he could, and was killed by someone who had a CCP and a gun and was just there to have a good time with friends it would not get as much press because it didn't fit the liberal agenda for gun control. I'm sure Odumbo would never call a press conference to thank the person for having a gun and saving many lives.

Rich


Indeed, that would not surprise me.

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Jun 24, 2016 12:51:03   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
Cykdelic wrote:
A couple of years ago in Fla. a high guy broke into a home. The lady of the house, not very well trained, had a pistol and fired in the guy 5 times, hitting all five. The guy got out the door than dropped. And, yes, there are many stories like this each year so Slate is trying to perpetuate the myth of good guys with guns not existing.


These stories hardly ever make the " Nightly News " as the media is notoriously anti gun. In this way they have more success promoting their agenda of anti gun propaganda and the easily led anti gunners suck it up. I don't believe they will ever learn until the day they need a firearm and don't have one to protect themselves, oops to late. They are a slow learn.

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Jun 24, 2016 16:30:28   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
kd7eir wrote:

So, if your exalted NRA says that having a bunch of armed people in that nightclub was not a good idea, that pretty much debunks the entire "gOod guy with a gun" myth.


Thats a pretty serious leap in logic, even for a bleeding heart lib.


Drunks without guns debunks the ENTIRE good guy with a gun idea ...


Slow down and breathe son ...

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Jun 26, 2016 18:07:15   #
Gitzo Loc: Indiana
 
kd7eir wrote:
I understand you do not care about intelligence, every word that you write here proves that.

As for addressing the issue, the NRA stated that having a bunch of armed people in a dark, noisy, nightclub is NOT THE ANSWER. That means that the NRA stated that a good guy with a gun in the nightclub would NOT HAVE BEEN THE ANSWER.

So, if your exalted NRA says that having a bunch of armed people in that nightclub was not a good idea, that pretty much debunks the entire "gOod guy with a gun" myth.

If you need FURTHER PROOF, there was an ARMED POLICE OFFICER in the club that was 100% USELESS AGAINST THE SHOOTER. What did that prove? That a "good guy with a gun" was NOT THE ANSWER.
I understand you do not care about intelligence, e... (show quote)





Dear comrade kd7eir;

I have never seen or even heard of you until about three minutes ago; yet, in that very brief amount of time, I have been able to accurately determine a number of things about YOU;

1. you are an obnoxious, self important, liberal TWIT

2. you make a lot of "assumptions", most of which are meaningless and usually untrue. (you "assume" that ANYONE who wears a blue suit and a badge and who works for a LE "agency" is automatically a "highly trained", highly "motivated" crack shot, ( such as "Officer Callahan" as portrayed by Clint Eastwood in his several "Dirty Harry" movies.) In actual fact, there are quite a few L.E. Officers who really are quite proficient with their weapons, but also in actual fact, unfortunately they only represent an infinitesimal minute segment of the overall LE community. (And I'm guessing that many of those L.E. Officers who ARE "well trained and very proficient" in the use of their weapon are right here on this forum and may even be reading this eventually?)

3. I'm guessing now, but I would bet that, A. you have probably never fired a real gun in your miserable life; B. if you were to fire a gun from a position "inside" of a barn, you would probably be "hard put" to "hit" the barn! C. judging from your photograph, I'm guessing that you are probably either a "perv", a "smerf", or possibly even a fellow who suffers from "GIC"; (for those unfamiliar with medical terms, individuals with "CIC" are said to be afflicted by "gender identification confusion".)

4. While you clearly have nothing but contempt for the N.R.A., you turn right around and attempt to use them as your "expert opinion" when you think you can take what they've said out of context and cause it to "conform" with your own "position" of total ignorance.

5. Your last line was your complete "undoing"! With it, you completely "flamed OUT"! Quote; "FURTHER PROOF"........"ARMED POLICE OFFICER"........."100% USELESS AGAINST THE SHOOTER" and......"NOT THE ANSWER"
Anyone having an I.Q. in excess of perhaps 120, and with, say, a High School diploma, would immediately recognize the "author" of that line as being someone who must SHOUT to be heard, who was probably "bullied" while in grade school, and who quite possibly wasn't "weaned" by his mother until around the seventh grade of school; add everything up, and here we have the classic example of a "liberal twit"!


So now tell me, Mr. Twit........have YOU ever been "confronted" by a "bad guy with a gun"? (The mere fact that you're still here, making a total P.I.T.A. out of yourself pretty well answers that question; )
Have YOU ever given any thought as to what YOU would do if YOU were in a "gay bar" and a Muslim terrorist started shooting people? My best guess is that you would probably, A. pee in your pants, B. "dirty your shorts", and C. SCREAM.."Allah Ack Bar" (in a futile attempt to ingratiate yourself with the savage thug)

Have YOU ever been faced by a furious, baseball bat wielding, Kalifornia-plated Idiot, who was screaming, "I'll beat you into dogfood" (or some such nonsense)

Guess what, Mr. Twit..........I have unfortunately been in both of those "situations"! and also "unfortunately", in neither situation was I in possession of a valid, concealed carry permit; and even more to the point, due to the terms of my employment at the time, I wouldn't have been able to have a weapon on my person even "if" a CC permit had been a "possibility" at the time, which it was NOT. As you can clearly see, I'm still "here".......helping YOU make a fool out of yourself! (but, fortunately for me, because my very well developed sense of self-preservation has caused me, on occasion, not to follow all of the "rules'.

Things have indeed changed in recent years, Mr. Twit........and a few things for the better! I AM in possession now of a pink piece of paper from the State of Indiana, authorizing me to legally carry a gun on my person, either "openly", (which is seldom the best choice), or "concealed", (which usually IS the better choice). Am I "armed" here in Wal-Mart or in Kroger's, or in Applebee's having dinner? You'll never know the answer to that, Mr Twit......"until" or "unless" you attempt to "do me harm"; that's when you'll find out if I'm "well trained" or not!

In the meantime, here's an idea for you; the next time someone "cuts you off" in traffic, show him he's #1! Show him that old "#1" finger sign! That's how you can tell what he "has" or "doesn't have"! And be sure to let us all know how that "worked", O.K.? And the next time you're in a gay bar and some Muslim starts shooting, show him some "love", man! Let him know, "let me give you a hug, Bro!

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Jun 26, 2016 18:20:51   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Gitzo wrote:
Dear comrade kd7eir;

I have never seen or even heard of you until about three minutes ago; yet, in that very brief amount of time, I have been able to accurately determine a number of things about YOU;

1. you are an obnoxious, self important, liberal TWIT

2. you make a lot of "assumptions", most of which are meaningless and usually untrue. (you "assume" that ANYONE who wears a blue suit and a badge and who works for a LE "agency" is automatically a "highly trained", highly "motivated" crack shot, ( such as "Officer Callahan" as portrayed by Clint Eastwood in his several "Dirty Harry" movies.) In actual fact, there are quite a few L.E. Officers who really are quite proficient with their weapons, but also in actual fact, unfortunately they only represent an infinitesimal minute segment of the overall LE community. (And I'm guessing that many of those L.E. Officers who ARE "well trained and very proficient" in the use of their weapon are right here on this forum and may even be reading this eventually?)

3. I'm guessing now, but I would bet that, A. you have probably never fired a real gun in your miserable life; B. if you were to fire a gun from a position "inside" of a barn, you would probably be "hard put" to "hit" the barn! C. judging from your photograph, I'm guessing that you are probably either a "perv", a "smerf", or possibly even a fellow who suffers from "GIC"; (for those unfamiliar with medical terms, individuals with "CIC" are said to be afflicted by "gender identification confusion".)

4. While you clearly have nothing but contempt for the N.R.A., you turn right around and attempt to use them as your "expert opinion" when you think you can take what they've said out of context and cause it to "conform" with your own "position" of total ignorance.

5. Your last line was your complete "undoing"! With it, you completely "flamed OUT"! Quote; "FURTHER PROOF"........"ARMED POLICE OFFICER"........."100% USELESS AGAINST THE SHOOTER" and......"NOT THE ANSWER"
Anyone having an I.Q. in excess of perhaps 120, and with, say, a High School diploma, would immediately recognize the "author" of that line as being someone who must SHOUT to be heard, who was probably "bullied" while in grade school, and who quite possibly wasn't "weaned" by his mother until around the seventh grade of school; add everything up, and here we have the classic example of a "liberal twit"!


So now tell me, Mr. Twit........have YOU ever been "confronted" by a "bad guy with a gun"? (The mere fact that you're still here, making a total P.I.T.A. out of yourself pretty well answers that question; )
Have YOU ever given any thought as to what YOU would do if YOU were in a "gay bar" and a Muslim terrorist started shooting people? My best guess is that you would probably, A. pee in your pants, B. "dirty your shorts", and C. SCREAM.."Allah Ack Bar" (in a futile attempt to ingratiate yourself with the savage thug)

Have YOU ever been faced by a furious, baseball bat wielding, Kalifornia-plated Idiot, who was screaming, "I'll beat you into dogfood" (or some such nonsense)

Guess what, Mr. Twit..........I have unfortunately been in both of those "situations"! and also "unfortunately", in neither situation was I in possession of a valid, concealed carry permit; and even more to the point, due to the terms of my employment at the time, I wouldn't have been able to have a weapon on my person even "if" a CC permit had been a "possibility" at the time, which it was NOT. As you can clearly see, I'm still "here".......helping YOU make a fool out of yourself! (but, fortunately for me, because my very well developed sense of self-preservation has caused me, on occasion, not to follow all of the "rules'.

Things have indeed changed in recent years, Mr. Twit........and a few things for the better! I AM in possession now of a pink piece of paper from the State of Indiana, authorizing me to legally carry a gun on my person, either "openly", (which is seldom the best choice), or "concealed", (which usually IS the better choice). Am I "armed" here in Wal-Mart or in Kroger's, or in Applebee's having dinner? You'll never know the answer to that, Mr Twit......"until" or "unless" you attempt to "do me harm"; that's when you'll find out if I'm "well trained" or not!

In the meantime, here's an idea for you; the next time someone "cuts you off" in traffic, show him he's #1! Show him that old "#1" finger sign! That's how you can tell what he "has" or "doesn't have"! And be sure to let us all know how that "worked", O.K.? And the next time you're in a gay bar and some Muslim starts shooting, show him some "love", man! Let him know, "let me give you a hug, Bro!
Dear comrade kd7eir; br br I have never seen o... (show quote)


Gitzo, you seem to have our comrade pegged on the nose. He however claims to be the holder of an FFL and says he has had it for years.
It would appear that you are in for a sever tongue lashing, as well as being told by his superior self how much smarter he is than you, along with the rest of us. I wonder where this genius was while we were in Vietnam serving our country, for better or worse.

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Jun 26, 2016 18:43:05   #
cwp3420
 
phcaan wrote:
Gitzo, you seem to have our comrade pegged on the nose. He however claims to be the holder of an FFL and says he has had it for years.
It would appear that you are in for a sever tongue lashing, as well as being told by his superior self how much smarter he is than you, along with the rest of us. I wonder where this genius was while we were in Vietnam serving our country, for better or worse.


While I agree wholeheartedly with you, I don't believe for one minute that the Twit has an FFL license. It's obvious by his references to various types of firearms that he doesn't have a clue about them except for what Hillary says about them. He is a liberal moron without the intellect to understand anything about firearms or protecting yourself. I'm glad he posts, though, because I enjoy a good laugh now and then.

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Jun 27, 2016 09:55:02   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Gitzo wrote:
Dear comrade kd7eir;

I have never seen or even heard of you until about three minutes ago; yet, in that very brief amount of time, I have been able to accurately determine a number of things about YOU;

1. you are an obnoxious, self important, liberal TWIT

2. you make a lot of "assumptions", most of which are meaningless and usually untrue. (you "assume" that ANYONE who wears a blue suit and a badge and who works for a LE "agency" is automatically a "highly trained", highly "motivated" crack shot, ( such as "Officer Callahan" as portrayed by Clint Eastwood in his several "Dirty Harry" movies.) In actual fact, there are quite a few L.E. Officers who really are quite proficient with their weapons, but also in actual fact, unfortunately they only represent an infinitesimal minute segment of the overall LE community. (And I'm guessing that many of those L.E. Officers who ARE "well trained and very proficient" in the use of their weapon are right here on this forum and may even be reading this eventually?)

3. I'm guessing now, but I would bet that, A. you have probably never fired a real gun in your miserable life; B. if you were to fire a gun from a position "inside" of a barn, you would probably be "hard put" to "hit" the barn! C. judging from your photograph, I'm guessing that you are probably either a "perv", a "smerf", or possibly even a fellow who suffers from "GIC"; (for those unfamiliar with medical terms, individuals with "CIC" are said to be afflicted by "gender identification confusion".)

4. While you clearly have nothing but contempt for the N.R.A., you turn right around and attempt to use them as your "expert opinion" when you think you can take what they've said out of context and cause it to "conform" with your own "position" of total ignorance.

5. Your last line was your complete "undoing"! With it, you completely "flamed OUT"! Quote; "FURTHER PROOF"........"ARMED POLICE OFFICER"........."100% USELESS AGAINST THE SHOOTER" and......"NOT THE ANSWER"
Anyone having an I.Q. in excess of perhaps 120, and with, say, a High School diploma, would immediately recognize the "author" of that line as being someone who must SHOUT to be heard, who was probably "bullied" while in grade school, and who quite possibly wasn't "weaned" by his mother until around the seventh grade of school; add everything up, and here we have the classic example of a "liberal twit"!


So now tell me, Mr. Twit........have YOU ever been "confronted" by a "bad guy with a gun"? (The mere fact that you're still here, making a total P.I.T.A. out of yourself pretty well answers that question; )
Have YOU ever given any thought as to what YOU would do if YOU were in a "gay bar" and a Muslim terrorist started shooting people? My best guess is that you would probably, A. pee in your pants, B. "dirty your shorts", and C. SCREAM.."Allah Ack Bar" (in a futile attempt to ingratiate yourself with the savage thug)

Have YOU ever been faced by a furious, baseball bat wielding, Kalifornia-plated Idiot, who was screaming, "I'll beat you into dogfood" (or some such nonsense)

Guess what, Mr. Twit..........I have unfortunately been in both of those "situations"! and also "unfortunately", in neither situation was I in possession of a valid, concealed carry permit; and even more to the point, due to the terms of my employment at the time, I wouldn't have been able to have a weapon on my person even "if" a CC permit had been a "possibility" at the time, which it was NOT. As you can clearly see, I'm still "here".......helping YOU make a fool out of yourself! (but, fortunately for me, because my very well developed sense of self-preservation has caused me, on occasion, not to follow all of the "rules'.

Things have indeed changed in recent years, Mr. Twit........and a few things for the better! I AM in possession now of a pink piece of paper from the State of Indiana, authorizing me to legally carry a gun on my person, either "openly", (which is seldom the best choice), or "concealed", (which usually IS the better choice). Am I "armed" here in Wal-Mart or in Kroger's, or in Applebee's having dinner? You'll never know the answer to that, Mr Twit......"until" or "unless" you attempt to "do me harm"; that's when you'll find out if I'm "well trained" or not!

In the meantime, here's an idea for you; the next time someone "cuts you off" in traffic, show him he's #1! Show him that old "#1" finger sign! That's how you can tell what he "has" or "doesn't have"! And be sure to let us all know how that "worked", O.K.? And the next time you're in a gay bar and some Muslim starts shooting, show him some "love", man! Let him know, "let me give you a hug, Bro!
Dear comrade kd7eir; br br I have never seen o... (show quote)


It's Aloha Snackbar........

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