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Jun 15, 2016 06:53:37   #
lalezo Loc: Gainesville, FL
 
Try ACDSee Ultimate 9 ... they offer a free trial ... very reasonably priced and; for me, it does all I need.

Good Luck !

Lloyd

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Jun 15, 2016 06:58:06   #
lalezo Loc: Gainesville, FL
 
Try ACDSee Ultimate 9 ... they offer a 30 day free trial ... is very user friendly; it does all I need. Good Luck !

Lloyd

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Jun 15, 2016 07:24:59   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
mclsr wrote:
What is good software to adjust color? All the programs work with brightness, saturation and contrast. What about color adjustment? Seems Adobe Photoshop is going to a monthly fee. What else is there that will do this job well?


Creative Cloud Lightroom and Photoshop

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Jun 15, 2016 07:28:33   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Gene51 wrote:
And the monthly fee for PHotoshop is bad why?

With the subscription model, you get at least 1 and sometimes 2 complete upgrades in a 12 month cycle, and several updates. When they blow the updates, a new one is usually available within a couple of weeks.

The old non-subscription model was updated every 18 months. It cost $600 to buy and in 2011, it cost $150 to upgrade from CS5 to CS6. If you add the initial purchase price of $600. If you bought CS5 in 2009 for $600, and upgraded it to CS6 in 2011, today you'd have software that has been out of date for 3 years, and your amortized cost over the 7 yrs would be $108/year. Oh, and you wouldn't have Lightroom. In the meantime, since CS6, PS has been upgraded 3 times, and updated at least 7 times, and Lightroom has been upgraded 2 time and updated several times as well.

So back to the original question - why is paying for software on a monthly basis such a bad idea, compared to buying the license and upgrading it periodically? BTW, there is nothing stopping you from writing a $120 check once a year, just like the old days, to keep your software current. There may even be a small savings in doing that.

To your original question - getting PS/LR will be a complete solution. You can play around with other lesser stuff, but nothing really compares.

On1 is a great application, either stand alone or as a plugin for PS/LR - which is the way I use it. And it is about to get better when they release their raw conversion capable version this fall. It costs around $150 to buy, and about $80 to update annually, and each update every year since v5 has been worth every penny. It's not a subscription model, but it sure sounds like one, doesn't it?
And the monthly fee for PHotoshop is bad why? br ... (show quote)


Quote "So back to the original question - why is paying for software on a monthly basis such a
bad idea...."?

I think it depends upon your individual preferences and need. If you are a "professional" or a very dedicated amateur and believe that having the newest software will make your pictures better or give them more 'Pop' and thus be more salable than your competitors, MAYBE, the subscription plan is better for you, but for those of us that just want good a good PP program for home hanging and perhaps an occasional sale, the one time purchase is a more economic option. I paid $39.99 for my PSE 14 shortly after it came out, and that followed PSE10 that I bought about six years ago. I think the PSE 10 was about $60.00 so I have about $100.00 total costs over +/- six years. I don't need the full blown PS program, nor do I want to learn it, so why should I pay $119.88/year for it & Lightroom? I tried Lightroom 6 on the 30 day trial and didn't like it; to me, it didn't flow as nicely as Elements.

I would also suggest that upgrades are not always better, and Adobe never tells you what they are "upgrading, improving or modifying". I use a Canon PIXMA 9000 MK II printer and the vast majority of my prints are 11" x 14". Canon's don't include that size in their print options , but I was shown a "work around" that will allow 11" x 14" printing on that size paper. It works just fine with PSE 10 but PSE 14 defaults back to 11" x 17" so wastes a larger, more expensive paper sheet. As a result I process with PSE14, save & close the edited copy; then re-open it in PSE 10 to print. Admittedly, that's not a really bid deal, but it is a moderate sized annoyance and takes more time.

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Jun 15, 2016 07:40:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
mclsr wrote:
What is good software to adjust color? All the programs work with brightness, saturation and contrast. What about color adjustment? Seems Adobe Photoshop is going to a monthly fee. What else is there that will do this job well?


There is lots of very good processing software that doesn't cost very much. Corel is worth a look. Also -

http://digital-photography-school.com/a-beginners-guide-to-choosing-the-right-post-production-software/
http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2015/03/23/best-photo-editing-software-photoshop-cc-and-7-photoshop-alternatives-tested/1/
http://www.redmondpie.com/best-adobe-photoshop-alternatives-for-windows-and-mac-list/

And for free -

http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/the-best-photoshop-alternatives-that-are-totally-free-5974500
http://lightzoneproject.org/

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Jun 15, 2016 08:07:45   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Gene51 wrote:
And the monthly fee for PHotoshop is bad why?

With the subscription model, you get at least 1 and sometimes 2 complete upgrades in a 12 month cycle, and several updates. When they blow the updates, a new one is usually available within a couple of weeks.

The old non-subscription model was updated every 18 months. It cost $600 to buy and in 2011, it cost $150 to upgrade from CS5 to CS6. If you add the initial purchase price of $600. If you bought CS5 in 2009 for $600, and upgraded it to CS6 in 2011, today you'd have software that has been out of date for 3 years, and your amortized cost over the 7 yrs would be $108/year. Oh, and you wouldn't have Lightroom. In the meantime, since CS6, PS has been upgraded 3 times, and updated at least 7 times, and Lightroom has been upgraded 2 time and updated several times as well.

So back to the original question - why is paying for software on a monthly basis such a bad idea, compared to buying the license and upgrading it periodically? BTW, there is nothing stopping you from writing a $120 check once a year, just like the old days, to keep your software current. There may even be a small savings in doing that.

To your original question - getting PS/LR will be a complete solution. You can play around with other lesser stuff, but nothing really compares.

On1 is a great application, either stand alone or as a plugin for PS/LR - which is the way I use it. And it is about to get better when they release their raw conversion capable version this fall. It costs around $150 to buy, and about $80 to update annually, and each update every year since v5 has been worth every penny. It's not a subscription model, but it sure sounds like one, doesn't it?
And the monthly fee for PHotoshop is bad why? br ... (show quote)


I agree with your comments on the LR subscription program. I never did try the alternatives so I cannot comment on them. However, if you want free and easy, you can always stay with what came with the camera. The Canon programs are very respectable. Getting back to LR, I find these to be advantages: the many online videos of which Julieann Kost's are the best, the catalog, keywords that find what you want instantly, great editing tools, and creating books within LR. I do well over 90% of my edits in LR and turn to PS for the rest. I used PSE but once I learned LR, I never went back to PSE. Hard to beat all the value you get for only $120 annually.

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Jun 15, 2016 08:23:23   #
bweber Loc: Newton, MA
 
Capture One Pro 9 has multiple methods for adjusting color. in addition, it allows you to select a specific color and automatically make it an adjustment layer. This allows you to adjust the exposure, saturation, etc. of just that specific color.

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Jun 15, 2016 09:15:28   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto: "You can play around with other lesser stuff (than Photoshop), but nothing really compares."
Gene51 wrote:
And the monthly fee for PHotoshop is bad why?

With the subscription model, you get at least 1 and sometimes 2 complete upgrades in a 12 month cycle, and several updates. When they blow the updates, a new one is usually available within a couple of weeks.

The old non-subscription model was updated every 18 months. It cost $600 to buy and in 2011, it cost $150 to upgrade from CS5 to CS6. If you add the initial purchase price of $600. If you bought CS5 in 2009 for $600, and upgraded it to CS6 in 2011, today you'd have software that has been out of date for 3 years, and your amortized cost over the 7 yrs would be $108/year. Oh, and you wouldn't have Lightroom. In the meantime, since CS6, PS has been upgraded 3 times, and updated at least 7 times, and Lightroom has been upgraded 2 time and updated several times as well.

So back to the original question - why is paying for software on a monthly basis such a bad idea, compared to buying the license and upgrading it periodically? BTW, there is nothing stopping you from writing a $120 check once a year, just like the old days, to keep your software current. There may even be a small savings in doing that.

To your original question - getting PS/LR will be a complete solution. You can play around with other lesser stuff, but nothing really compares.

On1 is a great application, either stand alone or as a plugin for PS/LR - which is the way I use it. And it is about to get better when they release their raw conversion capable version this fall. It costs around $150 to buy, and about $80 to update annually, and each update every year since v5 has been worth every penny. It's not a subscription model, but it sure sounds like one, doesn't it?
And the monthly fee for PHotoshop is bad why? br ... (show quote)

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Jun 15, 2016 09:16:55   #
Had2 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
You may want to take Google NIK for a spin. It's absolutely free, and may do just what you are looking to...although don't expect any updates.

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Jun 15, 2016 09:24:29   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
Capture One Pro on it's own, Corel's stuff if you want to match PS.

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Jun 15, 2016 09:30:16   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
chapjohn wrote:
Capture One.






With out a doubt, Capture One Pro!

It's far less confusing and it's fast too.

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Jun 15, 2016 09:35:50   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
RPSteiner wrote:
What about GIMP? Anyone use that?


I have GIMP but don't use it anymore. They apparently made a dramatic change in the program some years back and it's no long as intuitive as it was. But I still have it. I know photographers who ONLY use GIMP and love it. They accomplish everything they want with it. And it's FREE!

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Jun 15, 2016 09:40:51   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
mclsr wrote:
What is good software to adjust color? All the programs work with brightness, saturation and contrast. What about color adjustment? Seems Adobe Photoshop is going to a monthly fee. What else is there that will do this job well?


Is going. Adobe made that change a few years ago. You just now heard of that? This is a joke post, right?

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Jun 15, 2016 09:45:03   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Buy an older copy of Photoshop CS4, 5, or 6 online for a hundred and fifty bucks or so. Google a tutorial on what you want to accomplish. Use Photoshop when you need it and you are all set for the foreseeable future with no more expenses. (Of course, you must use proper file handling with your Photoshopped file so you don't destroy pixels. Also google: nondestructive editing.)

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Jun 15, 2016 09:50:05   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Everyone says their program is just as good as Photoshop. Why not use Photoshop? There are more online tutorials for and users of Photoshop then any other photo editing program in the world. You don't have to learn everything in the program to use it.

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