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May 11, 2016 14:07:41   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
Zoo_man wrote:
I believe so-called "photographs" that were created in someone's mind and then brought to life by a digital processing program are not photographs but creative artwork.

"A picture is worth a thousand words" no longer applies. A picture or photograph is now a thousand illusions often created by very gifted magicians.

I praise both artists and photographers, but I personally prefer to keep it in the realm of reality.
Amen


Agreed.

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May 11, 2016 14:44:49   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
donrosshill wrote:
Philosophically speaking, Isn't sight wonderful. The fact that we can all spend so much time discussing it is a reward in it's self. Why not move on to another subject. perhaps we can beat that one to death as well.
Life is Art.



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May 11, 2016 19:11:57   #
Soul Dr. Loc: Beautiful Shenandoah Valley
 
I will just say this: Creative images impact a viewer's imagination.

will

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May 11, 2016 19:54:37   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Brucej67 wrote:
Don't forget in the film days we created illusions in the darkroom only now is it made easier to do, however the same effects could be made under the enlarger.


Exactly. I spent a lot of time dodging and burning images in the darkroom and sometimes even painting directly on the negatives to clean them up and make them more appealing to the eye. Was I trying to fake anyone out? No, I was trying to create a pleasing image based on whatever scene I'd photographed.

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May 11, 2016 20:00:06   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Edia wrote:
This is the same argument between reality and impressionism in art. What really matters is the emotional response of the observer. We look in awe at Ansel Adams landscape photos taken with outdated cameras and development techniques. What we are really looking at are prints made from negatives. Those prints have been enlarged and cropped in a darkroom. Even the negatives depended on how the chemicals were used to develop them. Post processing in the digital age is not too dissimilar to darkroom magic in the film age.
This is the same argument between reality and impr... (show quote)

Mr. Adams did a LOT of dodging & burning not to mention touching up the negatives to remove unwanted objects. Doesn't anyone here remember painting out white dust specks with a paint brush directly on the negative? I'm showing my age but I know I'm in good company here.

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May 11, 2016 22:57:04   #
Shoot Happens
 
OMG this argument happens so often. Art is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination. Dance, music, painting, sculpture and photography are all some of the forms of art. Some artists are realists and some are not; neither is better or worse than the other. What is important is to appreciate all art forms for what they are. Once I realized photography is much more than the particular genre I was interested in, my photography skills increased astronomically because I saw life around me differently and I appreciated the value and beauty in all of the genres of photography. In my opinion, if we are so closed minded that we think realism in photography is the only way or is not the way at all, then we are robbing ourselves of a vast and wonderful world of visual enjoyment. Try something different with your photography with an open mind and you may find yourself actually liking it.

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May 11, 2016 23:56:47   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
First there is a basis in reality. Then comes the magic.

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