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Oct 24, 2015 20:31:23   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
20% of Lightroom problems come from their software designers not benchmarking changes in routine procedures; 80% of problems come from people trying to use the program without learning how it works or setting its preferences properly, IMHO.

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Oct 25, 2015 19:02:45   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
romanticf16 wrote:
20% of Lightroom problems come from their software designers not benchmarking changes in routine procedures; 80% of problems come from people trying to use the program without learning how it works or setting its preferences properly, IMHO.


IMHO too!

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Oct 25, 2015 19:16:52   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
Searcher wrote:
Recent events have unjustifiably undermined and vilified both Lightroom and Photoshop CC. Both are solid, versatile applications, are good value for money and work well.

The problems with the software started when Adobe wrote extra software allowing both programs to access user’s graphic cards. They (Adobe) did not take into account the great variety of cards across millions of computers, and consequently there were problems. Many computers do not have a separate graphics card and that caused even more problems. It was an easy fix, simply switch off the GPU in preferences, unfortunately Adobe did not reckon on users not knowing about the switch and failed to make users aware of its existence.

The latest glitch was to follow the trend for rectangular apps as seen in smart phones and Windows 8, e.g. square panels to choose from instead of menus. This they incorporated into the Import screen, and their excuse or reason for doing so was that users have long wanted a simplified import procedure.

The big mistake here was that the users that wanted a simplified procedure were the ones who asked for it, the great majority of users were content and therefore did not make any comment at all. The next LR update will put things back as they were.

Again a click or two in Preferences and the annoying square apps just disappear.

Users having problems with Photoshop are, in general, learning how to achieve something different. How to use masks, how to use Perspective Warp, how to make a selection, how to combine layers etc. These are not problems with the software, these are problems solved by study or asking questions to those in the know.

Photoshop works by loading one or more images, working on it or them, saving the finished result. This is how word processors and the majority of other applications work.

Lightroom does not work in the same way as Photoshop, and this is the root cause of most of the headaches that new users get. It is vital to understand what LR does and how it does it before bringing in thousands of images and then getting lost. There are hundreds if not thousands of videos and books explaining the LR concept, and once that is understood, the rest is easy.

I don’t believe for one moment that LR and PS is for everybody, but please don’t ignore them because you think they are seriously flawed, they are not.
Recent events have unjustifiably undermined and vi... (show quote)


Well stated, as usual, Searcher.

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Oct 25, 2015 19:59:15   #
tomcat
 
brucewells wrote:
Well stated, as usual, Searcher.


What you say is true, but that still should not give the lame-brain engineers carte blanche to change program steps that are working perfectly. I am all in favor of adding on new features to software, but I wish they would leave the stuff that's tried and true alone. There was absolutely nothing wrong at all with the Import function in LR. Been using it for 7 years and it was perfectly elegant and simple. I just wish they would ask us old-timer users first before they try to make changes to satisfy the newbies that are still ignorant about how the program works. Reminds me of trying to dumb down education so everyone can be equal and average.

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Oct 25, 2015 20:09:55   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
tomcat wrote:
What you say is true, but that still should not give the lame-brain engineers carte blanche to change program steps that are working perfectly. I am all in favor of adding on new features to software, but I wish they would leave the stuff that's tried and true alone. There was absolutely nothing wrong at all with the Import function in LR. Been using it for 7 years and it was perfectly elegant and simple. I just wish they would ask us old-timer users first before they try to make changes to satisfy the newbies that are still ignorant about how the program works. Reminds me of trying to dumb down education so everyone can be equal and average.
What you say is true, but that still should not g... (show quote)


They did ask, via the Lightroom Forum, but the respondents were those who wanted the change. Those who did not want changes did not bother to respond.

Its how opinion polls work, ask the right people to get the response you want.

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Oct 25, 2015 20:29:16   #
tomcat
 
Searcher wrote:
They did ask, via the Lightroom Forum, but the respondents were those who wanted the change. Those who did not want changes did not bother to respond.

Its how opinion polls work, ask the right people to get the response you want.


I guess I missed it then.

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Oct 25, 2015 23:04:04   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Searcher wrote:
They did ask, via the Lightroom Forum, but the respondents were those who wanted the change. Those who did not want changes did not bother to respond.

Its how opinion polls work, ask the right people to get the response you want.
I'm not sure that is correct. My understanding is that, as a user, your activity can be monitored. Adobe can keep track of what you use and what you don't. Serious photographers tend to turn that reporting function off. The result was that Adobe statistical marketing research was far off the mark.

Added to that was Adobe people tried to observe new users. Many thought that "Importing" put their photos "inside" Lightroom so they could delete the files that were "outside". "Importing" should get a new name like "Registration". But, Adobe saw newbies that were confused so they "fixed" it by taking out all the confusing parts. The trouble appears to be that they didn't actually identify the true source of confusion.

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Oct 26, 2015 07:25:30   #
HeyYou Loc: SE Michigan
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm not sure that is correct. My understanding is that, as a user, your activity can be monitored. Adobe can keep track of what you use and what you don't. Serious photographers tend to turn that reporting function off. The result was that Adobe statistical marketing research was far off the mark.

Added to that was Adobe people tried to observe new users. Many thought that "Importing" put their photos "inside" Lightroom so they could delete the files that were "outside". "Importing" should get a new name like "Registration". But, Adobe saw newbies that were confused so they "fixed" it by taking out all the confusing parts. The trouble appears to be that they didn't actually identify the true source of confusion.
I'm not sure that is correct. My understanding is... (show quote)


This further demonstrates my point. (I'm not the OP, but my post several entries after the OP drew several thoughtful replies.)
Much as I had been looking forward to learning to use LR/PS, I really hesitate to embark on what sounds like 'evolving complexity' until I have good chunks of time to devote to learning it. I'm not retired - but if I was this would become a part-time job for me !

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Oct 26, 2015 13:01:43   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
bsprague wrote:
... Many thought that "Importing" put their photos "inside" Lightroom so they could delete the files that were "outside". ....


They could have just added a line to the quick start guide and manual (say first page or first screen on tutorial video telling new users that LR leaves the original photos in the files and saves only the changes made in its own files.

Shows what confusion happens when experts in one field (code writing and software development) misunderstand how the experts that actually use their software think and work (photographers and editors).

Every software developer needs at least one "real person" who uses their stuff around to tell them when they are off track.

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