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Upgrading to Full Frame: Sony A7 ii, Nikon D750, Canon 6D (Mark ii?)
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Aug 16, 2015 08:11:08   #
John Howard Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
 
StevenG wrote:
I am interested in upgrading to a full frame camera from my canon 60D. See original post (Aug 10): Switching from Canon to Nikon--A Dilemma, outlining my thoughts, and asking if you thought the Nikon D750 would be a good fit. I want to thank all of you who responded for your comments. As I don't want to lug around a heavy camera, many of you suggested a mirrorless camera, such as the Sony.

I know nothing about the Sony models, so I read most of the reviews I could find, and I became quite intrigued. It seems that the Sony A7 ii is relatively comparable to the Nikon D750 in terms of specs and price. It gets great reviews.

Because Sony added an apparently wonderful vibration compensation system directly in the camera, lenses do not need that feature. The problem is the camera gained a lot of weight, and is only about 5 ounces lighter than the Nikon D750. Sony/Ziess lenses get excellent reviews, but are quite expensive. Nikon or Canon (or third party) lenses can be used with an adapter. The adapter adds about $400 (B and H), and probably adds a few ounces, again bringing the weight closer to the Nikon. I also read some reviews indicating that the adapter caused problems with third party lenses (Tamron, Sigma). Others said it worked perfectly. The Sony A7 ii only has a battery life of about 350-400 pictures, meaning that I would have to carry at least one additional battery on a long day of shooting. And the Sony also has only one card slot. Not a deal breaker, but I would prefer two. So, while the Sony appears to be a very good camera, these issues make it a very questionable fit for me.

I am still thinking of the Nikon D750, but I am also hoping that a Canon 6D ii will hit the market within the next 6 months, with specs similar to the Nikon D750.

I would like to hear from anyone who uses the Sony A7 ii, particularly on picture quality, battery life, weight, and the use of lens adapters. I would also like to know if anyone has heard rumors about the 6D ii.

Thanks.
Steve
I am interested in upgrading to a full frame camer... (show quote)


I have both the D750 and the A7r (thinking about the A7rii). You need to decide what type of shooting is your priority. I think the Sonys have great image quality and either the Zeiss lenses or Nikon/Leica work well with adapters in manual mode. Note that lenses without aperture rings become a bit more problematic on the Sony. However, the cameras are real slow to focus, even with the Sony/Zeiss lenses and AF. Not appropriate for anything moving.

Tho I like the Sony, I really love the D750 and even prefer it over the D810. The lower pixel count makes it easier to use, relates better to more lenses as the resolution is not so difficult, size/weight and grip all fit my hand, and the color and richness of the images I think are better than Leica.

Whereas the Sony will give you some tricks like in camera HDR and Pano, the Nikon will give you some of the HDR capability, and multi exposure. The Nikon works well on a super long lens for birds and sports, in addition to wide for landscape. The Sony will never be a sport or bird camera.

The last good thing I can say about the Sony is that the EVF is great. For my aging eyes the focus assist/peaking really lets me know what is in focus and you can even perceive the depth of field. That is the reason I bought the camera in the first place. However, I think the D750 is a better all-around camera and one you can build a good collection of lenses for.

You can download the manuals and give them a read. I think you will find the Nikon manual and on-camera menu easier to follow. That may be just my view because I started with Nikon and get their organization. Sony menu is very different.

Good luck

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Aug 16, 2015 08:30:39   #
Bob Boner
 
The 5dIII would be my choice. I use it and really like the file it produces. Lenses could be a deciding factor. Nikon has typically been better in the wide angle range (although Canon is catching up) but I think Canon is better in the long lenses.

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Aug 16, 2015 08:38:01   #
Shoot Happens
 
I believe if you use your Canon lenses on the Sony with an adaptor, you must focus manually. The argument of prefocusing for street photography is lost if you use back button focus. I have a D750 and I often shoot at its extremes, ISO 6400 plus, and am always amazed at the image quality this camera puts out.

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Aug 16, 2015 10:29:45   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Thanks Ralph. It's hot on the Island this weekend. Probably lots cooler where you are than Glen Cove! The Mark iii is a great camera, but too heavy for me, not to mention too expensive.

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Aug 16, 2015 10:31:44   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Canon lenses Autofocus with the right adapter on Sony E/FE mount cameras.

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Aug 16, 2015 10:35:07   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
MCC,
Thanks for the video links.

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Aug 16, 2015 10:49:27   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Thanks for your reply, JS.
I know very little about the 610 or the DF, but I did do a little research after you suggested them. The 610, by all accounts, is a great camera. For my purposes, it is a bit to heavy. And, if I switch to Nikon, I think I would rather have the newer technology and lighter body of the 750. The DF is, as you point out, costly. And, lacks video, which for me is a deal breaker.
Steve

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Aug 16, 2015 10:51:32   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Mickey Mantle wrote:
I am a convert to Sony mirror less and specifically the 7 ii. I consider it the perfect cMera for my needs. The weight is almost as much as the 750 and 610, but I would still prefer the Sony. Has features that Nikon does not have and picture quality is excellent.



I'm interested in FF and would be willing to switch. I often use DP review to compare features. Here is the "side-by-side" on the Sony and the Nikon: http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=sony_a7_ii&products=nikon_d750

I'm curious which features you like that the Nikon does not have, because the Nikon seems to match up pretty well and exceeds the Sony in several areas: most notably frame rate & flash modes. Sony's flash technology doesn't seem to come close to Nikon's CLS. Thoughts? What am I missing? The weight seems to be the distinct advantage.


Thanks, Allen

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Aug 16, 2015 10:52:26   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
MT,
Thanks. I definitely will be going to the local stores and to try out the different cameras. Before doing so, I just want to limit my choices so I am not overwhelmed by too many cameras. Your comments about the Sony are helpful in my decision making process. Thanks again.
Steve

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Aug 16, 2015 10:59:37   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
JPL,
Thanks for your input. Your comments about battery life, and manual focus are very helpful. I am beginning to lean heavily toward the D750.

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Aug 16, 2015 11:03:59   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Mickey Mantle,
Thanks for your take on the Sony. Yes, it does have some nice features which is what led me to it in the first place. From what I have read, and heard from fellow hoggers, the deficits (weak battery life, expensive lenses, need to use manual focus with the adapter) would make it a poor fit for me.
Steve

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Aug 16, 2015 11:06:35   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
ralph4176,
Thanks for your take on the Sony. Yes, I think that cost (of lenses, adapters and flash) will play a part in my decision making process. I am beginning to lean heavily toward the 750.
Steve

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Aug 16, 2015 11:09:29   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
RGreenway,
Thanks for your take on the Sony. It does have some cool features, like focus peaking, as you mentioned. Manual focusing is a deal breaker for me.
Steve

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Aug 16, 2015 11:14:35   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
lwerthe1mer,
Thanks for your take on the sony. I appreciate hearing forms many sony owners. I am learning that Sony has many cool features, including focus peaking and in camera stabilization. These are very intriguing. Unfortunately, after getting many replies from fellow hoggers, and reading more reviews, I am beginning to see many downsides to the a7ii, which are pushing me toward the 750.
Steve

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Aug 16, 2015 11:18:03   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
John Howard,
Thank you so much for your very thoughtful an honest reply. After reading replies to my post, and many reviews, I have definitely been leaning toward the 750. I thing your response may be the clincher.
Steve

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