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Is the Nokon D7100 that much better than D7000 ?
Mar 4, 2015 16:23:21 #
Being a macro photographer, all those "useless" MPs are priceless to me and some of my peers when it comes to aggressive cropping. I have seen fellow macro photographers images that were shot with the same lens on a 7000 that can't even begin to come close to the resolution of the 7100. So, just in the case of resolution alone, I would never be able to settle for less, personally. I doubt I would have been so enthusiastic about macro, had I started with a 16MP camera.
For the vast majority of people, the resolution of the 7000 will be "good enough". For that matter, there are lots of folks that are perfectly happy with 6MPs.
Just like all the "useless" do-dads that a lot of people think are just to get your hard earned cash. There are actually people out there that can and do make very good use of all those useless bells and whistles......just sayin' :wink:
For the vast majority of people, the resolution of the 7000 will be "good enough". For that matter, there are lots of folks that are perfectly happy with 6MPs.
Just like all the "useless" do-dads that a lot of people think are just to get your hard earned cash. There are actually people out there that can and do make very good use of all those useless bells and whistles......just sayin' :wink:
Mar 4, 2015 16:26:17 #
Mar 4, 2015 16:32:29 #
Bud S wrote:
makes sense to me!
EDIT: I misread this the first time :oops:
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Mar 4, 2015 16:33:00 #
Flyextreme wrote:
Being a macro photographer, all those "useles... (show quote)
I'm not sure where the reference to "useless" MP came in. I did not mean to imply that the D7100 (or D7200) has an extra 8 mp of useless pixels. My only point was that, when comparing camera bodies, it is very difficult to compare apples (Sony's 16 MP sensor) to oranges (Toshiba's 24.1 MP sensor) to pears (Sony's 24.2 MP sensor).
As many others have pointed out, one must start with the intended use for the camera. In your case, doing macro work calls for very high resolution to get the best results from cropping and enlarging images, and so total number of MP is high on the list of desiderata.
Mar 4, 2015 16:39:50 #
bdo wrote:
I'm not sure where the reference to "useless&... (show quote)
I wasn't referring to anything you said. I was merely pointing out that quite a few people don't see any usefulness in Mega mega pixels, therefore they deem them useless and having little or no value. Some even believe lots of MPs are just a gimmick to part you with your money.
I also said that not everyone needs all those MPs. And I believe I inadvertently agreed with you (because I still haven't even gone back to see what you said yet), that it depends on what you are doing with your camera. That's all I was saying.
What I said wasn't directed at any one thing that "anybody" said or I would have used the quote reply option.
As you know, there are lots of people that think that if they don't have a use for something, that no one else should either.
EDIT: I just went back to the your post, I'm guessing that you are referring to. I didn't even have it in mind when I posted what I did. So, you have nothing to defend. ;) :D
Mar 4, 2015 16:48:05 #
Flyextreme wrote:
I wasn't referring to anything you said. I was mer... (show quote)
Where do we stop with the pixel competition? Will we soon be into gigapixels?
Mar 4, 2015 16:50:08 #
I have been shooting Nikon since the 60's and have used many different models. The D7100 is the best Nikon I have used and I don't plan on getting another camera unless mine breaks. I have never used the 7000. The photos are very sharp and it's not all because of the lens. Having said all that, 90+% is the person behind the camera. Look at the pros. Many times we are using the same camera or lens, but....
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Mar 4, 2015 16:56:21 #
CatMarley wrote:
Where do we stop with the pixel competition? Will we soon be into gigapixels?
I'm not certain lenses will be able to realize much more resolution than what's already out there, unless we can get some of the techs that worked on the Hubble telescope to contribute. Then, who could afford it.
Not everyone has a need for huge amounts of MPs.
I suppose we'll see, now that Canon is supposed to come out with 50+MP :shock: :-o
Gigapixels....has a nice sound :wink: :D
Mar 4, 2015 17:07:38 #
I like some of the photos have taken with iPhone better than many taken with my D-7000. That doesn't mean it's a "better camera." When in this "range" of camera, the most important thing is the entity BEHIND the camera??
Both cameras are excellent (unless you get a lemon... or can't turn the focus ring.)
Yes to the "Nokon" - either one. Or Canon, Fuji, Panasonic, Leika, smartphone, any camera. What glass? You choose when to press the button, camera usually complies.
A question for fellow UHH-ers: what is your "keeper/fixer-upperer" ratio of every 100 photos taken? Operative word being "your."
Both cameras are excellent (unless you get a lemon... or can't turn the focus ring.)
Yes to the "Nokon" - either one. Or Canon, Fuji, Panasonic, Leika, smartphone, any camera. What glass? You choose when to press the button, camera usually complies.
A question for fellow UHH-ers: what is your "keeper/fixer-upperer" ratio of every 100 photos taken? Operative word being "your."
Mar 4, 2015 17:45:31 #
CatMarley wrote:
Where do we stop with the pixel competition? Will we soon be into gigapixels?
I think the megapixel race is a marketing thing. Many people want one parameter to evaluate how good a camera is. People on this forum are more knowledgeable than most people about cameras. I'll bet that the engineers at the camera companies want to stop the megapixel race. They're having to make the pixels smaller and smaller to fit more on the same size sensor.
Mar 4, 2015 17:48:51 #
bdo wrote:
My only point was that, when comparing camera bodies, it is very difficult to compare apples (Sony's 16 MP sensor) to oranges (Toshiba's 24.1 MP sensor) to pears (Sony's 24.2 MP sensor).
Not a valid point though.
D7000 (Sony) 16 MP: 69 lp/mm
D800/D810: 103 lp/mm
D7100 (Toshiba) 24.1 MP: 128 lp/mm
D7200 (Sony) 24.2: 128 lp/mm
Clearly the 24mp D7100 and D7200 sensors have the edge for resolving power. And that is important.
On the other hand, the idea that color rendition has any significance at all is not really true. While resolution of the sensor cannot be changed in post processing, color is just a matter of tone mapping. If you don't care for the default, just change it to what you want.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:00:30 #
CatMarley wrote:
Where do we stop with the pixel competition? Will we soon be into gigapixels?
That won't happen...
But what will happen is that increases in MP will continue until a physically significant limit is reached. That limit is roughly between 175 MP and 250 MP. As the size of the sensor well goes down and pixel pitch increases, the influence of diffraction increases. Hence diffraction becomes greater with more pixels. At the point where virtually all lenses, even fast ones, are fully diffraction limited and hence are sharpest wide open there is no value in a greater pixel pitch that is directly offset by blur from diffraction. That will end the MP race.
And we can expect that to happen sometime in the relatively near future. Perhaps 10 or 15 years, maybe even less. And at that point people still won't understand it, and exactly the same arguments that have been going on since the Nikon D1 was replaced with a higher pixel count body will still be heard. Yet 5 years after the introduction of 200MP sensors hardly any 100 MP sensor cameras will be available new, simply because nobody will buy one.
Mar 4, 2015 18:34:19 #
I have both and much prefer my D7000. Looking at photos close-up on the computer screen, the D7100s look strange. I am thinking of trading in the 7100.
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Mar 4, 2015 18:46:35 #
srfotog wrote:
I have both and much prefer my D7000. Looking at photos close-up on the computer screen, the D7100s look strange. I am thinking of trading in the 7100.
First time I've ever heard this.
Mar 4, 2015 18:48:02 #
All the sensor resolution in the world doesn't do any good if the glass isn't up to task or if technique is lacking.
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