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The Offence of the Cross
Dec 22, 2014 11:39:09 #
slocumeddie wrote:
The least you could do when pointing out our shortcomings is to be flawless in your command of the English language..... :roll:
Unlike you I am not perfect.
Dec 22, 2014 11:40:20 #
slocumeddie wrote:
Pray tell us what "sin" is..... :x
I think that is part of the problem. You do not look for thinks for yourself, you want others to do it for you.
Dec 22, 2014 11:47:01 #
slocumeddie wrote:
Pray tell us what "sin" is..... :x
Sin is anything that separates us from God.
If you do not "believe in God" that is like saying "I do not have cancer because I do not believe in cancer."
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Dec 22, 2014 11:48:01 #
TrainNut wrote:
Another spelling error.....but seriously, what do YOU think "sin" is ? ? ?I think that is part of the problem. You do not look for thinks for yourself, you want others to do it for you.
Dec 22, 2014 11:48:48 #
user47602
Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
TrainNut wrote:
sin, particularly original sin... is how religions control people's behavior. The fact that you're already born in "debt" and have to go to church, just to get even.LarJgrip wrote:
Just so I'm clear, based on what you believe, humans don't sin?
user47602 Wrote: Yes
What do you think sin is?
Just so I'm clear, based on what you believe, humans don't sin?
user47602 Wrote: Yes
What do you think sin is?
I think people are born with a clean slate.
Dec 22, 2014 11:53:52 #
slocumeddie wrote:
Pray tell us what "sin" is..... :x
Why are you asking what sin is? As an ex church leader you should know.
Dec 22, 2014 12:00:14 #
slocumeddie wrote:
Another spelling error.....but seriously, what do YOU think "sin" is ? ? ?
You are right that spelling is not my strong suit. I wear out my spell checker all the time. :oops:
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Dec 22, 2014 12:07:27 #
user47602 wrote:
sin, particularly original sin... is how religions control people's behavior. The fact that you're already born in "debt" and have to go to church, just to get even.
I think people are born with a clean slate.
I think people are born with a clean slate.
First of all, understand this:
Going to church DOES NOT "get you even"
1- what do you mean "original sin"?
2- if mankind starts with a clean slate how does it end up getting dirty? Or should I ask, who dirties it?
Dec 22, 2014 12:12:11 #
user47602
Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
LarJgrip wrote:
First of all, understand this:
Going to church DOES NOT "get you even" Obviously, it just gets you feeling guilty
1- what do you mean "original sin"? the apple/snake thing
2- if mankind starts with a clean slate how does it end up getting dirty? Or should I ask, who dirties it? that's free will for you
Going to church DOES NOT "get you even" Obviously, it just gets you feeling guilty
1- what do you mean "original sin"? the apple/snake thing
2- if mankind starts with a clean slate how does it end up getting dirty? Or should I ask, who dirties it? that's free will for you
Dec 22, 2014 14:24:45 #
I'm not sure if you actually go to church to feel guilty or if you're talking through your hat, I'm going to assume the latter.
To me guilt is like pain, it's there for a reason. I do not feel guilty for things I am not guilty of, on the other hand I do feel guilty for things that I am guilty of. And like pain it should be addressed.
There is nothing we can do to earn favor with God. That's the opposite of what a lot of churches and religiosity teach us. It's not what we've done, it's all about what Christ has done on the cross.
The Pope, Mother Theresa, Gandhi, you,I or Charles Manson. We all have to come to the same place and accept the work that Jesus did in our stead in order to be in right standing with God.
No one can truthfully say that they've never had an impure thought, that they've never told a lie or that their motives have always been selfless and pure to their fellow man.
So God came to this earth in human form, lived a sinless life as a man and then made the choice to go to the slaughter and pay our debt or penalty.
Because he was innocent and blameless he was the only man qualified to pay another's debt. Otherwise, if he was guilty he'd just be paying for his own sin like you and I would have to, now we don't, he did it all!!
Religions teach that you have to earn it and that's a lie from hell!!!
To me guilt is like pain, it's there for a reason. I do not feel guilty for things I am not guilty of, on the other hand I do feel guilty for things that I am guilty of. And like pain it should be addressed.
There is nothing we can do to earn favor with God. That's the opposite of what a lot of churches and religiosity teach us. It's not what we've done, it's all about what Christ has done on the cross.
The Pope, Mother Theresa, Gandhi, you,I or Charles Manson. We all have to come to the same place and accept the work that Jesus did in our stead in order to be in right standing with God.
No one can truthfully say that they've never had an impure thought, that they've never told a lie or that their motives have always been selfless and pure to their fellow man.
So God came to this earth in human form, lived a sinless life as a man and then made the choice to go to the slaughter and pay our debt or penalty.
Because he was innocent and blameless he was the only man qualified to pay another's debt. Otherwise, if he was guilty he'd just be paying for his own sin like you and I would have to, now we don't, he did it all!!
Religions teach that you have to earn it and that's a lie from hell!!!
Dec 22, 2014 14:28:01 #
user47602
Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
LarJgrip wrote:
I'm not sure if you actually go to church to feel ... (show quote)
my church is nature, my god is the universe and everything in it... together we are co-creating the world, moment by moment. I don't really have anything to do with anything that happened 2000 years ago in the middle east.
Dec 22, 2014 19:46:02 #
Dec 22, 2014 19:47:14 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
user47602 wrote:
my church is nature, my god is the universe and everything in it... together we are co-creating the world, moment by moment. I don't really have anything to do with anything that happened 2000 years ago in the middle east.
Then you shall die in your sins.
Dec 22, 2014 21:36:00 #
silver
Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
Racmanaz wrote:
Then you shall die in your sins.
I thought that this was just for christians. If someone is not a christian then how could it possibly have any effect on them?
Dec 22, 2014 21:41:09 #
user47602 wrote:
sin, particularly original sin... is how religions control people's behavior. The fact that you're already born in "debt" and have to go to church, just to get even.
I think people are born with a clean slate.
I think people are born with a clean slate.
I think people are born with a clean slate.[/quote]
it is refereed to original sin. but that is fine with me if you feel that. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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