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Oct 18, 2014 11:07:13   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
bunuweld wrote:
Congratulations, Stefan. Being your first break, you should probably stick to the price that you originally quoted and indicate that you are doing so. I am not in the business but it is part of a beginning good relationship to to create some basis of trust and good faith.



Absolutely great advice!

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Oct 18, 2014 15:07:14   #
penpic
 
Wow that is GREAT, I am so excited for you!! Yes, I agree with the gang, stick to your price. I have not been in the photography business but I have owned several companies. Now is the time to form a good and trusting relationship. It will pay off. :D

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Oct 18, 2014 16:43:29   #
JerrysPhotos Loc: Arkansas
 
Congratulations of your big break, I'm sure it was well deserved........

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Oct 18, 2014 17:28:21   #
dampatents
 
Stef C wrote:
I just had the first "big break" of my "career" I would say, and I'm so excited to share that I got the following e-mail from the "Goodall Art Gallery" in Kentucky..

They contacted me in July and we had a brief discussion on my photos and pricing, but then I figured it fell through. Then I got this e-mail today requesting an invoice for 9 photos!!

It's funny, because most of these I would not have selected but I guess they liked them!

Now - I have no idea what to do. I quoted her at $139 a photo a long time ago for 24x36, but now I'm thinking that was a little too low. I can send the invoice with additional charges like shipping, tax, etc.. so I'm sure I can cover that, but I am just so excited they're going up in a new building in downtown Pittsburgh!!

"Stefan,

We are pleased to inform you that your work has been approved to be included in the new PNC Tower in Pittsburgh, PA. We ask that you please review and follow these steps in order for us to complete this purchase:

· Please send an invoice including sales tax, shipping, and/or delivery charges to info@xxxxx
· We will issue a purchase order from your invoice.
· Label artwork with your name, contact number, and item number indicated on each photo attached.
· Photography work, please allow a minimum1” white border around the image and sign and sign in the bottom right border. Please print using archival paper and ink, preferably luster paper.
· Canvas work may be sent rolled, as framer will re-stretch.
· Deliver or ship artwork to: xxxxxxx"

Any tips or suggestions!? Thanks!
I just had the first "big break" of my &... (show quote)


Make sure that they understand that YOU retain the copyright in your work and just put a little circle c with the year next to your signature on the work

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Oct 18, 2014 18:31:10   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
bunuweld wrote:
Congratulations, Stefan. Being your first break, you should probably stick to the price that you originally quoted and indicate that you are doing so. I am not in the business but it is part of a beginning good relationship to to create some basis of trust and good faith.


I agree. The exposure/publicity ....priceless! Congratulations.

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Oct 18, 2014 20:55:03   #
Novice knowledge
 
Congrats! I went to your web page. You have many great shots! Enjoyed viewing them.

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Oct 18, 2014 22:35:17   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
dampatents wrote:
Make sure that they understand that YOU retain the copyright in your work and just put a little circle c with the year next to your signature on the work


Oh, yes, with images actually "published" in this case being publicly displayed you should register them for a real copyright with the government. You can save a lot on the fee by registering them as a group or collection and not individually. In fact you can copyright all your photographs as one body of work for a single fee. The problematic part is you have to send in two copies of each photograph or email copies of them all! Unless they've changed this during last year or so.

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Oct 19, 2014 01:00:58   #
tradergeorge Loc: Newport, Kentucky
 
I would not get greedy at this point. They may be good for word-of-mouth advertising as well as a listing in your portfolio. If you quoted or even mentioned $139, stick to it. I think what they spec'ed would be a minimum for displayed artwork, so I would not try to charge extra for the paper. You have an opportunity here which could be blown at the last minute by misplaced ego. They asked for a contract number...Do you have a contract? This is important, because they seem to want to generate the P.O. after the fact. Usually one would generate the P.O. when ordering the merchandise. You may want to issue the invoice and wait for the P.O. before delivery. That way, you could easily avoid any fraud by calling their purchasing dept to confirm the P.O. number before delivery...None of that is out of hand for a corporate entity. Good Luck!!

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Oct 20, 2014 12:02:18   #
Stef C Loc: Conshohocken (near philly) PA
 
Thanks for the great advice everyone! I appreciate the input :)

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Oct 20, 2014 15:08:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Stef C wrote:
Thanks for the great advice everyone! I appreciate the input :)


No prob. :thumbup:

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Oct 20, 2014 23:05:04   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Oh, yes, with images actually "published" in this case being publicly displayed you should register them for a real copyright with the government. You can save a lot on the fee by registering them as a group or collection and not individually. In fact you can copyright all your photographs as one body of work for a single fee. The problematic part is you have to send in two copies of each photograph or email copies of them all! Unless they've changed this during last year or so.

I don't want to start an argument, just clarify some terminology. A "real" copyright is established when the image is made. Registration is a way of establishing the date and ownership of that copyright to legal standards and is the only standard recognized in most courts of law. Registration also places the image(s) under the protection of Federal law when it comes to the amount of penalties.

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Oct 20, 2014 23:19:42   #
Singing Swan
 
Congratulations!! Stef!!!! I hope this brings you much more business and good luck with all your future endeavors too!!

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Oct 20, 2014 23:27:38   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Mogul wrote:
I don't want to start an argument, just clarify some terminology. A "real" copyright is established when the image is made. Registration is a way of establishing the date and ownership of that copyright to legal standards and is the only standard recognized in most courts of law. Registration also places the image(s) under the protection of Federal law when it comes to the amount of penalties.


That is exactly what I meant but I prefer using a word not a paragraph. Anyway, try proving in court your copyright mark on something that has not been registered, just tagged by yourself.

Yes, I understand the concept of the copyright law about when a copyright exists, but in practice it needs to be registered for enforcement.

This is a photography blog not a legalese or perfect use of terminology blog. Little time seems spent actually talking about photography -- a lot of correcting seems to be the main activity, sadly.

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Oct 20, 2014 23:37:24   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
That is exactly what I meant but I prefer using a word not a paragraph. Anyway, try proving in court your copyright mark on something that has not been registered, just tagged by yourself.

Yes, I understand the concept of the copyright law about when a copyright exists, but in practice it needs to be registered for enforcement.

This is a photography blog not a legalese or perfect use of terminology blog. Little time seems spent actually talking about photography -- a lot of correcting seems to be the main activity, sadly.
That is exactly what I meant but I prefer using a ... (show quote)

Please understand that we have new members joining every day. One of the most confusing non-technical aspects of photography is the copyright issue. We should make every effort to avoid confusion by using the correct terminology and not substitute our own terms. If I offended you by my clarification, I deeply apologize.

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Oct 21, 2014 02:18:55   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Mogul wrote:
Please understand that we have new members joining every day. One of the most confusing non-technical aspects of photography is the copyright issue. We should make every effort to avoid confusion by using the correct terminology and not substitute our own terms. If I offended you by my clarification, I deeply apologize.


I get that or figured that up front. My point is people don't understand it and think simply putting a copyright mark on it protects it. It does not. I know photographers who have had their image rights violated, i.e., images stolen with their name predominantly still written across the image. One of my instructors even had copyritten images used with out her permission on products. Long story, in the end the person who passed it off as his work eventually lost his business license and his home due to being a crook. But my instructor has to ENFORCE her copyright. You must register it and preferably internationally as well if you can afford that.

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