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Aug 23, 2014 21:07:13   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Bazamac wrote:
Of course it is. I was never saying that ideas (the link you posted was about ideas not ideals) and information CAN'T come from a mind. I was questioning the video which claimed that information can ONLY come from a mind. It really wasn't that complicated an argument.


Idea verses Ideal

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/paris-tx/TDASJEJHANV46I3AP

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Aug 24, 2014 06:29:04   #
kwils Loc: Salem, Ma
 
steve40 wrote:
God doesn't make mistakes, man does. When Adam sinned it caused God to curse Adam, and the ground he came from.
As a result Sickness, and death became a part of mans life.
When God created the World, all was perfect. But it was the introduction of sin, that has caused the imperfections.


The serpent said (yes a talking animal) if she eats the fruit of the tree "then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

If the punishment to Adam and Eve for eating the fruit was to know good and evil, how could they have chosen to do a bad thing before eating it. That implies the devils enticement was more powerful than Gods command.

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Aug 24, 2014 06:43:37   #
kwils Loc: Salem, Ma
 
steve40 wrote:
God doesn't make mistakes, man does. When Adam sinned it caused God to curse Adam, and the ground he came from.
As a result Sickness, and death became a part of mans life.
When God created the World, all was perfect. But it was the introduction of sin, that has caused the imperfections.


God created the vast cosmos and all life on this plant and then allowed an evil talking snake to dictate the course of humanity? Really? After all that bother to perfectly create?

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Aug 24, 2014 07:21:29   #
dalematt Loc: Goderich, Ontario, Canada
 
:thumbup:

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Aug 24, 2014 07:23:44   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
kwils wrote:
The serpent said (yes a talking animal) if she eats the fruit of the tree "then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

If the punishment to Adam and Eve for eating the fruit was to know good and evil, how could they have chosen to do a bad thing before eating it. That implies the devils enticement was more powerful than Gods command.


Or, it shows that Adam's and Eve's will power was weaker.

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Aug 24, 2014 07:24:58   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
kwils wrote:
God created the vast cosmos and all life on this plant and then allowed an evil talking snake to dictate the course of humanity? Really? After all that bother to perfectly create?


That's what happens when you let man have free will.

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Aug 24, 2014 07:27:55   #
djenrette Loc: Philadelphia
 
I do not mind people having opinions that they cannot support with facts, but I just wonder why they do it-- and why they want to insult people who will not agree with them. Is it their personal insecurity that bothers them?

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Aug 24, 2014 07:31:40   #
chfrus
 
Even God ( whoever he is or if ) must follow the laws of physics. Which would of pre dated him.

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Aug 24, 2014 07:35:53   #
morris cowley Loc: australia
 
And I thought Ugly Hedgehog was a forum for photography discussion, instead it has developed into a bible bashing forum. Can we keep such subjects to the pulpit

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Aug 24, 2014 07:36:22   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
djenrette wrote:
I do not mind people having opinions that they cannot support with facts, but I just wonder why they do it-- and why they want to insult people who will not agree with them. Is it their personal insecurity that bothers them?


Could it be because atheist who deny the existence of God also wants to deny those who do believe their rights to practice and to share their faith?

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Aug 24, 2014 07:38:15   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
morris cowley wrote:
And I thought Ugly Hedgehog was a forum for photography discussion, instead it has developed into a bible bashing forum. Can we keep such subjects to the pulpit


This part of the forum is for non-photographic discussions, debates and battles. It keeps politics and religion out of the other sections.

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Aug 24, 2014 07:54:34   #
TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails
 
Bazamac wrote:
Yet another one, Racmataz? This one is particularly poor. It consists of a series of a superficial and incomplete description of DNA accompanied by some unsupported assertions about how this proves there must be a god/creator. But it's baloney. One example - the assertion is made that one of the "laws of information" is that all information must originate from a mind. So I tried googling the "laws of information". My first hit was an interesting article about some important principles involved in the design of information systems. No mention in there anywhere about the need for a mind to originate information. There were some links to items covering the law as it applies to information and one to an article on Murphy's Law, which is really a humorous comment on how things can go wrong and irrelevant to this topic. Then there were a number of hits which related to or were linked to a creationist website, which eventually took me to a page where some "laws of information" were outlined. This was, itself on a creationist website. In other words, the origin for this claim came from within "creation science" itself. Basically, they are just making it up and passing it off as "science".
Racmanaz, you are entitled to believe what you want, however much it flies in the face of the evidence. Once you try to pretend that there is a valid scientific basis for that belief, you are open to challenge. These videos you keep presenting are, as far as I can see, nonsense. Not that everything in them is nonsense, but the way that fact is mixed with non-fact, the way that facts are presented selectively, the way that unsupported claims about facts are made and the conclusions that are drawn from them are pure hogwash. If ever there were a case of garbage in-garbage out, it's "creation science".
Yet another one, Racmataz? This one is particularl... (show quote)


I Goggled "laws of information" and this is what I received.

http://creation.com/laws-of-information-1
http://creation.com/laws-of-information-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_information_systems

You automatically dismiss "creation.com" because it came from a creation website so it must be wrong.
Try to dispute the facts presented.

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Aug 24, 2014 07:55:10   #
Izza1967 Loc: Bristol, England
 
Recently there have been lots of threads started claiming to prove the existence of god so it's reasonable to expect people to counter that view if theirs is different.

How many recent threads have been started claiming the opposite?

As I see it the believers are trying to push their view which is the main thing I oppose. I have no problem at all with those who choose to believe but please don't try and get me to believe it with your preaching. I know where my local churches are the same as I know my local pubs, if I want a drink I go to the pub. Pity religion doesn't work the same.

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Aug 24, 2014 08:01:57   #
TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails
 
Izza1967 wrote:
Recently there have been lots of threads started claiming to prove the existence of god so it's reasonable to expect people to counter that view if theirs is different.

How many recent threads have been started claiming the opposite?

As I see it the believers are trying to push their view which is the main thing I oppose. I have no problem at all with those who choose to believe but please don't try and get me to believe it with your preaching. I know where my local churches are the same as I know my local pubs, if I want a drink I go to the pub. Pity religion doesn't work the same.
Recently there have been lots of threads started c... (show quote)


Not true. Pubs advertise all the time.

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Aug 24, 2014 08:14:53   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world."
Psalms 19:1-4

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