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Aug 23, 2014 02:49:46   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
OK I could not sleep, so here's another example of the proof that God exists, enjoy and God bless all in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBeCxKzYiIA

Excuse the title, I posted the wrong title but the correct link.

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Aug 23, 2014 08:50:24   #
Izza1967 Loc: Bristol, England
 
When DNA goes wrong we get mutations which may cause cancer.

If god did create DNA at least with the errors that happen it shows he is human after all ;)

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Aug 23, 2014 09:08:49   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Izza1967 wrote:
When DNA goes wrong we get mutations which may cause cancer.

If god did create DNA at least with the errors that happen it shows he is human after all ;)


Now you are really being silly. You know nothing about weather, what makes you think that you know anything about DNA?

Ford made cars. Does that mean that all cars are made perfect? When people don't take care of their body's, especially during pregnancy, bad things happen. Cigarettes, alcohol, drugs...

I have COPD. Is that God's fault? Or is that my fault?

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Aug 23, 2014 09:17:51   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Now you are really being silly. You know nothing about weather, what makes you think that you know anything about DNA?

Ford made cars. Does that mean that all cars are made perfect? When people don't take care of their body's, especially during pregnancy, bad things happen. Cigarettes, alcohol, drugs...

I have COPD. Is that God's fault? Or is that my fault?


If you have smoked, its your fault. other than that it is a result of sin, sin brought sickness, disease, and death to the world. All are subject to the consequences of sin's actions. Even to the most devout Christian. In spite of what the "name it and claim it" crowd claims. :)

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Aug 23, 2014 09:19:32   #
Izza1967 Loc: Bristol, England
 
When was DNA ever linked with the weather, now who's being silly?

Ford made cars, all perfect? ............. not a chance as they are made by humans who are not perfect, god on the other hand is seen by many as the creator and without flaw

Do you think god has made mistakes or do you believe god is perfect?

If you think he has made mistakes would you please tell me what you think there are.

If you think god is perfect then what I said is perfectly reasonable, to expect gods creations to be also perfect and not actually cause harm

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Aug 23, 2014 09:27:57   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
God doesn't make mistakes, man does. When Adam sinned it caused God to curse Adam, and the ground he came from.
As a result Sickness, and death became a part of mans life.
When God created the World, all was perfect. But it was the introduction of sin, that has caused the imperfections.

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Aug 23, 2014 11:39:49   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
steve40 wrote:
God doesn't make mistakes, man does. When Adam sinned it caused God to curse Adam, and the ground he came from.
As a result Sickness, and death became a part of mans life.
When God created the World, all was perfect. But it was the introduction of sin, that has caused the imperfections.


Nicely stated!

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Aug 23, 2014 11:43:13   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
God has proven His sovereignty in the realm of evolution. Where did man get his knowledge; why don't animals have it? God made man in His image; animals are controlled and ruled by man. The two are mutually exclusive, regardless of the "evolution" theorists.

Donkeys have yet to pen a novel or build a monument. When they do, then pigs will definitely fly.

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Aug 23, 2014 13:15:55   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
steve40 wrote:
If you have smoked, its your fault. other than that it is a result of sin, sin brought sickness, disease, and death to the world. All are subject to the consequences of sin's actions. Even to the most devout Christian. In spite of what the "name it and claim it" crowd claims. :)


You really are quite the nastiest person on this forum, aren't you. People, including children suffer and die as a result of agonising diseases and it's down to people's sin. What an obnoxious philosophy.

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Aug 23, 2014 13:45:25   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
Racmanaz wrote:
OK I could not sleep, so here's another example of the proof that God exists, enjoy and God bless all in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBeCxKzYiIA

Excuse the title, I posted the wrong title but the correct link.


Yet another one, Racmataz? This one is particularly poor. It consists of a series of a superficial and incomplete description of DNA accompanied by some unsupported assertions about how this proves there must be a god/creator. But it's baloney. One example - the assertion is made that one of the "laws of information" is that all information must originate from a mind. So I tried googling the "laws of information". My first hit was an interesting article about some important principles involved in the design of information systems. No mention in there anywhere about the need for a mind to originate information. There were some links to items covering the law as it applies to information and one to an article on Murphy's Law, which is really a humorous comment on how things can go wrong and irrelevant to this topic. Then there were a number of hits which related to or were linked to a creationist website, which eventually took me to a page where some "laws of information" were outlined. This was, itself on a creationist website. In other words, the origin for this claim came from within "creation science" itself. Basically, they are just making it up and passing it off as "science".
Racmanaz, you are entitled to believe what you want, however much it flies in the face of the evidence. Once you try to pretend that there is a valid scientific basis for that belief, you are open to challenge. These videos you keep presenting are, as far as I can see, nonsense. Not that everything in them is nonsense, but the way that fact is mixed with non-fact, the way that facts are presented selectively, the way that unsupported claims about facts are made and the conclusions that are drawn from them are pure hogwash. If ever there were a case of garbage in-garbage out, it's "creation science".

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Aug 23, 2014 14:07:41   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Bazamac wrote:
Yet another one, Racmataz? This one is particularly poor. It consists of a series of a superficial and incomplete description of DNA accompanied by some unsupported assertions about how this proves there must be a god/creator. But it's baloney. One example - the assertion is made that one of the "laws of information" is that all information must originate from a mind. So I tried googling the "laws of information". My first hit was an interesting article about some important principles involved in the design of information systems. No mention in there anywhere about the need for a mind to originate information. There were some links to items covering the law as it applies to information and one to an article on Murphy's Law, which is really a humorous comment on how things can go wrong and irrelevant to this topic. Then there were a number of hits which related to or were linked to a creationist website, which eventually took me to a page where some "laws of information" were outlined. This was, itself on a creationist website. In other words, the origin for this claim came from within "creation science" itself. Basically, they are just making it up and passing it off as "science".
Racmanaz, you are entitled to believe what you want, however much it flies in the face of the evidence. Once you try to pretend that there is a valid scientific basis for that belief, you are open to challenge. These videos you keep presenting are, as far as I can see, nonsense. Not that everything in them is nonsense, but the way that fact is mixed with non-fact, the way that facts are presented selectively, the way that unsupported claims about facts are made and the conclusions that are drawn from them are pure hogwash. If ever there were a case of garbage in-garbage out, it's "creation science".
Yet another one, Racmataz? This one is particularl... (show quote)


Bazamac; It does not matter what evidence is provided, you will choose to reject it no matter what. I did not post this for people who will reject any truth provided. This is for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear and to encourage the people of God. There's no reason for me to expend any more time on those that reject truth as you and others have, I say this respectfully and prayerfully that God will open eyes and ears. Only God and Him only can open the eyes of unbelievers as He had done for me when I was an Evolutionist believer. God bless you and may God give you wisdom. :)

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Aug 23, 2014 14:12:37   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Bazamac; It does not matter what evidence is provided, you will choose to reject it no matter what. I did not post this for people who will reject any truth provided. This is for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear and to encourage the people of God. There's no reason for me to expend any more time on those that reject truth as you and others have, I say this respectfully and prayerfully that God will open eyes and ears. Only God and Him only can open the eyes of unbelievers as He had done for me when I was an Evolutionist believer. God bless you and may God give you wisdom. :)
Bazamac; It does not matter what evidence is provi... (show quote)


No, I will consider any evidence put before me, evaluate it and come to a conclusion based on my existing knowledge and how the new evidence fits in with that. This video does NOT contain any evidence to be rejected - as I said, there is a selective presentation of some facts, some unfounded assertions based on them and some outright untruths. I have detailed one in my last post. I thank you for the kind thoughts behind your wishes for me but assure you that your prayers and blessings mean absolutely nothing to me, based, as they are, on nonsense.

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Aug 23, 2014 14:40:59   #
Izza1967 Loc: Bristol, England
 
I am still waiting to see any evidence that cannot be challenged.

People used to think the world was flat because they knew no different but as soon as real evidence became available people had no choice but to believe the world to be in fact round as the evidence was unchallengeable to even the most stubborn of flat world believers.

Give me that sort of evidence that cannot be challenged and I will obviously become a believer.

Please offer some unchallengeable evidence a I don't know of any.

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Aug 23, 2014 14:49:56   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Izza1967 wrote:
I am still waiting to see any evidence that cannot be challenged.

People used to think the world was flat because they knew no different but as soon as real evidence became available people had no choice but to believe the world to be in fact round as the evidence was unchallengeable to even the most stubborn of flat world believers.

Give me that sort of evidence that cannot be challenged and I will obviously become a believer.

Please offer some unchallengeable evidence a I don't know of any.
I am still waiting to see any evidence that cannot... (show quote)


All evidences can be challenge no matter what side it comes from, its just part of human nature.

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Aug 23, 2014 15:07:21   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
Izza1967 wrote:
I am still waiting to see any evidence that cannot be challenged.

People used to think the world was flat because they knew no different but as soon as real evidence became available people had no choice but to believe the world to be in fact round as the evidence was unchallengeable to even the most stubborn of flat world believers.

Give me that sort of evidence that cannot be challenged and I will obviously become a believer.

Please offer some unchallengeable evidence a I don't know of any.
I am still waiting to see any evidence that cannot... (show quote)


Yes there is no such thing, as unchallengeable evidence. I can challenge a donut hole, and claim its not a hole, but just a lack of material. :lol:

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