handgunner wrote:
MT I told Closer to check out the T4i. It is virtually the same and will be cheaper. I believe the person is budget minded.
One thing to consider... The T4i was discontinued over a year ago when the T5i was introduced (April 2013). They are very similar cameras, mostly with some modest video-related improvements. The T5i model immediately replaced the T4i in the Canon line-up. The T3i has continued to be offered alongside the T5i (Note: T4i and T5i both have autofocus system that's a step up from T3i, plus an articulated rear LCD monitor, among other incremental improvements and feature upgrades.)
You can probably still find brand new T4i. And it should have the same warranty. A possible future concern is if repair parts run out and Canon stops supporting the model.... which might be expected to happen a year or more sooner with T4i than with T5i. Note: emphasis on "might" and "possible"... because the two models are similar enough that they may share a lot of parts and service procedures.
Canon vs Nikon is rather silly. Both make great cameras and lenses. Both systems are capable and comprehensive and will meet the needs of beginners to serious amateurs to pros.
One place I see a difference is in factory service/repair. That's actually pretty rarely needed with today's gear, so it may never be an issue.... But starting late last year in the US, Nikon began forcing all service and repair to be done at their authorized/official service centers, by refusing to sell replacement parts to anyone else. This is their right, but has resulted in a backlog. Canon freely sells repair parts to anyone who has a telephone and a credit card, and rarely has backlogs so their repairs typically take days instead of weeks or months. This might be more of a concern after the item is out of warranty (1 year in both cases, I believe). During the warranty period you likely would want to use either company's factory/authorized service for any needed repairs. But after the warranty expires, it's nice to have the choice of using thousands of independent repairers, if you wish, or the factory service center. The competition sort of keeps the factory service center on their toes. But if you restrict sale of replacement parts to them, you eliminate that competition and have no incentive putting pressure for high level of performance on your own service centers. Again, though, the vast majority of buyers never need to have repairs done, so this may be a moot point.
Closer, I do not know the Nikon system particularly well. I shoot with Canon and know more about what they offer. If you decide to get one of the Canon models (T4i or T5i) in kit, you'll find them typically fitted with either EF-S 18-55 IS II or 18-55 IS STM lens. Factory kits are a good way to get a camera and lens at some additional discount. Either of these kit lenses are pretty good optically, but very lightly built (plasticky) and inexpensive. An upgrade would be an EF-S 18-135mm IS or 18-135mm IS STM, which also are sometimes offered in kit with the cameras.
You also can find two-lens kits that include one of the 18-55s plus either the EF-S 55-250mm IS or 55-250mm IS STM, both of which are entry level tele-zooms.
In all cases, the STM lens has superior auto focus performance and will cost about $50 more (STM stands for "Stepper Motor"... vs the standard micro motor focusing drive, which is not as smooth, slower and noisier).
You also will sometimes find two-lens kits with the EF
75-300 lens. I would avoid this lens. It's not one of Canon's better efforts. Either of the 55-250s is a better choice. Most often, the 75-300 shows up in retailer assembled (rather than Canon/factory) kits, offered at what appear to be bargain prices. Sometimes these kits are good, but be very careful. A lot of them are loaded up with cheap junk. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
You won't find them in kit, but two possible "standard" zoom upgrades to consider are the EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS USM and EF-S 15-85 IS USM. Either of these would add considerable cost, but are significant upgrades in a number of ways, starting with top image quality. The 17-55 has fast f2.8 non-variable aperture that can be useful in low light and to render shallower depth of field effects. The 15-85 covers an unusual range of focal lengths, significantly wider than most standard zooms... there's a noticeable difference between 15mm vs 17 or 18mm. With this lens, you might not ever feel a need to buy an even wider lens. Also both of these lenses use USM (ultrasonic motor) focus drive, which is the best for still photography... fast, accurate and reasonably quiet, smooth (STM is considered better for videography, though).
With either 17-55 or 15-85mm lens, you might also be looking at a telezoom.... 70-200mm or 70-300mm. These are considerably more expensive than the kit lenses, but Canon makes four 70-200 models and three 70-300 models. These start around $600 or $650, though. Several models are over $1000 and at least one is over $2000.
However, the lenses you put on the camera will make far more difference to your images than the camera model you choose. If at all possible, spend a bit more and upgrade lenses.
One way to save a bit is to look for factory refurbished cameras. Often these are display models or were demos at trade shows and have seen virtually no use at all, look and perform just like new. Before being offered they are typically checked by a service tech (probably more individual attention than a brand new camera gets when it comes off the assembly line). I've seen and bought refurbs at Adorama and B&H Photo in the past... Today Canon USA sells a lot of them through their online store. Usually refurbs have the same warranty as new, too.
Used gear is another possibility, to save a bit or make a budget go a little farther... KEH has been mentioned and I've bought stuff through them. Adorama, B&H have used departments that I've patronized, as well. Good folks at all three stores! These well-established, used equipment retailers usually offer at least a 90 day warranty on their stuff, and a 7 or 14 day right of return, no questions asked. They inspect the gear and rate it... usually really conservatively. If buying used, though, you need to know more about the specific item being considered... . For example, some of the earlier versions of EF-S 18-55mm lens (models without IS) are not as good optically as current versions.
IMHO, "extended warranties" are a waste of money. The vast majority of problems with gear today show up right away, within a couple weeks out of the box. If they survive 30 or 90 days, or a year in the case of new stuff, likely they will give many years reliable use.