High end camera being discourage for newbies.
May 28, 2014 06:59:24 #
If a person is an out and out newbie I would suggest something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg or even borrowing a camera if possible. They may discover photography isn't their cup of tea. Then if it isn't they haven't invested a good sum of money into somethiing they won't use and will end up selling at a loss.
May 28, 2014 07:03:15 #
DavidPine wrote:
I've noticed that, too. I usually ask newbies about their budget.
That's basically it. You don't want to invest $10,000 you really can't afford and find that you don't like it.
As for learning to use the cameras, I don't think a D800 is any more difficult to learn than a D3200.
There's no reason not to start at the top.
May 28, 2014 07:05:19 #
rook2c4 wrote:
Certainly one can learn photography on a high end camera.
However, one advantage of starting on a more simple camera is the ease of learning how to focus one's attention on composition as well as develop an eye for recognizing what makes a photo interesting, without the distraction of endless settings options. There are plenty of photographers who use advanced, high end cameras with top of the line lenses yet produce images that are void of imagination and expressiveness.
However, one advantage of starting on a more simple camera is the ease of learning how to focus one's attention on composition as well as develop an eye for recognizing what makes a photo interesting, without the distraction of endless settings options. There are plenty of photographers who use advanced, high end cameras with top of the line lenses yet produce images that are void of imagination and expressiveness.
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May 28, 2014 07:05:44 #
juicesqueezer wrote:
Right on! Have been taking photos for years, but ... (show quote)
RC planes! Now THAT'S an expensive hobby! I once watched a friend lose his com link as his P-51 proceeded to try to fly through a maple tree. I've never seen a grown man so close to tears! And then there are the RC helicopters.....
May 28, 2014 07:06:55 #
SharpShooter wrote:
What is your old camera not doing?
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I think that's the worst. If the camera isn't broken, it's taking pictures, and that's all any camera can do. It's a pointless question. If your car can get you from Point A to Point B, there's no need to buy a new one, yet people replace their cars all the time.
May 28, 2014 07:24:55 #
Cdouthitt wrote:
A. It's flippin' expensive
B. Its lenses are expensive (full frame)
C. It's files are huge, requiring usually a computer upgrade that can be expensive.
D. Not everyone wants or needs full frame.
E. Did I mention the cost? Could put together a system for half the cost that would provide darn near equal the quality a print sizes less than 24".
B. Its lenses are expensive (full frame)
C. It's files are huge, requiring usually a computer upgrade that can be expensive.
D. Not everyone wants or needs full frame.
E. Did I mention the cost? Could put together a system for half the cost that would provide darn near equal the quality a print sizes less than 24".
Why be so negative; look at the positives.
May 28, 2014 07:27:37 #
I am going to say that each person should buy what they believe it is the best for them, be a car or a camera. It is their money after all.
All cameras offer the novice an opportunity to learn and lets be fair, anyone can make pictures with modern digital cameras although I will not guarantee the quality of those pictures regardless of the camera or lens in use.
I firmly believe that it is very important to learn and understand photographic principles regardless of the camera in use. After all, we all know that it is not the camera or lens but the photographer behind the gear.
There must be a good reason besides a financial one why manufacturers produce entry level cameras.
All cameras offer the novice an opportunity to learn and lets be fair, anyone can make pictures with modern digital cameras although I will not guarantee the quality of those pictures regardless of the camera or lens in use.
I firmly believe that it is very important to learn and understand photographic principles regardless of the camera in use. After all, we all know that it is not the camera or lens but the photographer behind the gear.
There must be a good reason besides a financial one why manufacturers produce entry level cameras.
May 28, 2014 07:32:36 #
Asking a few questions about intended purpose s necessary to give reasonable advice. Although it would be a rare situation, I can conceive of where the best advice would be to get an 8x10 view camera with all the impedimentia rather a toy camera like a D800 :):).
A more likely scenario I was asked about was someone who wanted a camera for long backpacking trips. Having been there, done that I advised that unless he was Galen Rowel reincarnate get nothing bigger than will fit in a shirt pocket lest one return from a trip with a hatred for cameras.
But getting back to less extreme situations, if money is no object and the "best" is desired, the only reason not to buy a D800 is because a D4 is more suitable. Conversely if cost is important a D3300 is hardly a "crapy camera".
A more likely scenario I was asked about was someone who wanted a camera for long backpacking trips. Having been there, done that I advised that unless he was Galen Rowel reincarnate get nothing bigger than will fit in a shirt pocket lest one return from a trip with a hatred for cameras.
But getting back to less extreme situations, if money is no object and the "best" is desired, the only reason not to buy a D800 is because a D4 is more suitable. Conversely if cost is important a D3300 is hardly a "crapy camera".
May 28, 2014 07:32:37 #
I always say to a newbie, set your budget, and go for the best camera in that budget range. What can you afford and then what do you plan to do with it. If you are never going to get out of auto you don't need a pro camera at 3 grand or more. On the flip side, if you want to learn DSLR and sell prints or shoot people then buy the very best you can afford.
May 28, 2014 07:33:43 #
twillsol wrote:
Why be so negative; look at the positives.
All too many times I've run across rich newbies with the latest and greatest gear (one of the perks of living in a tourist town, and working in the heart of it), and they have no clue as to how to use it. It's just sad. Poor under utilized systems.
May 28, 2014 07:47:53 #
OnDSnap wrote:
Heck if I could afford it...I'd go for the D3 or D... (show quote)
Now here is a comment/suggestion that I can agree with.
I would like to add "I wish I knew then what I know now". Wishful thinking? Maybe !!!
May 28, 2014 08:00:22 #
If they have the money and want to work their way up through the different levels today's cameras offer, I say let them.
If we are talking about a real beginner, with a limited budget and not yet sure if photography is for them, OR someone with a limited budget where the budget allows for a lesser camera with a better lens, then I would still discourage the high-end camera in favor of a better lens package.
If we are talking about a real beginner, with a limited budget and not yet sure if photography is for them, OR someone with a limited budget where the budget allows for a lesser camera with a better lens, then I would still discourage the high-end camera in favor of a better lens package.
May 28, 2014 08:02:45 #
buenaventura43 wrote:
Why newbies are being discourage to start on highend camera like
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
The best reason that I can think of - other than steep learning curve - is that they do not know what they require.
Many people will offer advice - based on their preferences and biases - and be quite happy to talk the newbie into spending thousands on kit that may be good - but not what the person requires. Then - by the time they have discovered what they require - it is too late, budget blown, and they are tied into particular gear.
A year with a more basic camera will allow them to learn the basics and hopefully find out what they will ultimately need. There are many good, second user cameras available that would make a good start.
May 28, 2014 08:11:49 #
I do love your analogy! I tried sewing once, with a very inexpensive machine. In fact, I sewed my first wife's wedding dress. Maybe that's why she's my first...?
I started out, in sewing and in photography, reading everything I could about the subject. It was then I bought at the entry level because that was all I could afford at the time!!! Today, after moving from the Nikon D60 (sold to my daughter) up to the D7000 and then D600, I'm looking at the D800. I am still a "budding por-sumer."
I started out, in sewing and in photography, reading everything I could about the subject. It was then I bought at the entry level because that was all I could afford at the time!!! Today, after moving from the Nikon D60 (sold to my daughter) up to the D7000 and then D600, I'm looking at the D800. I am still a "budding por-sumer."
May 28, 2014 08:22:22 #
What is easyer to learn on the low pried cameras other than the point and shoot icons? If money were no opbect I think the only thing one would need to consider is if the full frames are going to be to big and heavy to carry around. If there is much differance on the manual side I would sure like to know what makes the cheaper cameras easyer to learn. By the way most folks with that kind of money don't have to have a camera to show off the do that with their cars. - Dave
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