High end camera being discourage for newbies.
May 27, 2014 21:05:47 #
buenaventura43
Loc: Rockland Co. NY
Why newbies are being discourage to start on highend camera like
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
May 27, 2014 22:03:22 #
buenaventura43 wrote:
Why newbies are being discourage to start on highend camera like
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
I have no idea why so many people try to discourage newbies from buying high end cameras, if that's what they want. It's like telling someone not to buy a Corvette because all they ever drove previously was a pickup truck. If you have an interest in learning how to use a camera, any camera, then there is no reason not to try. There are endless resources available, many free, to provide you with the info and techniques necessary. The only people I would try to discourage are the ones who can't afford to buy high end gear, and nobody on here knows who those people are. If you have the interest and can afford it, then buy what you want. You will probably save money by not going through several lesser cameras before you get to the one you want. You have already learned that, so you are one step up. Enjoy your camera!
May 27, 2014 22:04:19 #
buenaventura43 wrote:
Why newbies are being discourage to start on highend camera like
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
D800? I bought D800 as my first DLSR and together with the trinity lenses because I am doubtful if I will have still time to upgrade if I will start on lower end because of my age.With 5 months of reading the manual that came with it and reading here.I did learned a lot and now recently can take a better picture than with P&S and smartphones.
Glad you are happy with your D800, but 5 months of reading the manual, etc is a little bit of a put off to most. It's much easier to start with a lower level camera that you can figure out in a few weeks (enough to be able to enjoy anyway...)
May 27, 2014 22:07:06 #
DavidPine
Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
I've noticed that, too. I usually ask newbies about their budget. I started a year ago and when I asked questions people, without knowing my circumstances, did their very best to lead me toward less expensive equipment. I appreciate that thought but the reality is, some of the suggestions I followed ended up costing me even more money in the long run because I found the equipment inferior. I ended up with a lot of equipment I have given away when I replaced it with what I should have purchased in the first place. I ended up with a D800 that I really like and what I should have bought in the first place. On the other hand, if I said that I had unlimited resources someone would have suggested overkill like a D4 or some such. It's hard to get and give good advise sometimes. I try to give advise based on as much information as a newbie will provide.
May 27, 2014 22:19:52 #
A camera is a camera. The exposure triangle can be learned just as easy on a high end or low end. The more expensive cameras have a lot better low light performance weither you are an old pro or new to photography. So if you have the money buy the best. Very few people say I wish I would have bought a camera with less. Of course this is for folks that want to improve their photography. - Dave
May 27, 2014 22:28:34 #
A lot of people don't need high end cameras. I think that it is more for the "look at me" thing that really needing it. Do you really think that the difference in the cameras will make you a better photographer? But hey, if you have the money and you want to spend it, go ahead.
A Porsche is a lot better than a Honda Civic, but how many people really need the upgrade.
I guess that it you believe that he who dies with the most toys wins, go ahead an try to win.
A Porsche is a lot better than a Honda Civic, but how many people really need the upgrade.
I guess that it you believe that he who dies with the most toys wins, go ahead an try to win.
May 27, 2014 22:48:08 #
Actually a high end camera like the D800 is ideal for a newby. The camera is very easy to operate simply. It has no fully automatic mode, which is a good thing. It operates very well in program mode, which is a good intro to making settings adjustments. From there it is easy to learn aperture priority and shutter priority. Once one has a handle on those it is fairly easy to transit to manual mode. The menu system requires a lot of study but you can learn how to operate the camera with default settings. I think folks are reluctant to recommend a multi-thousand dollar camera to someone who may not be committed.
May 27, 2014 23:10:19 #
I started with a Canon Rebel (first get - only 6MP) but when I bought my 7D there was definitely a steep learning curve. I bought Michael the Maven's Tutorial DVD for the &D and was up and running in no time! In two, 1.5 hours videos he walks you through all the operations of the camera and helps you understand how it all works together. He even includes a good section on composition.
May 27, 2014 23:10:36 #
43, I'll take it a step further. I haven't noticed it, it's blatant!! :lol:
It's a lot of an elitist attitude.
As soon as someone wants an upgrade the barrage starts:
What's wrong with the old camera?
Why do you think you need it?
What is your old camera not doing?
Can you handle an enormous FF?
Are you gonna print 100X100?
Blah, blah blah, from all the guys shooting with d800's, like they have 500hp and you might hurt yourself.
I've always said, hey, it's your money, you worked your A$$ off for it, you spend it!!
Anyway, 43, why don't you get out the jaws of life, and try to extract that big chip on some of these guys shoulders!! :lol: :lol:
SS
It's a lot of an elitist attitude.
As soon as someone wants an upgrade the barrage starts:
What's wrong with the old camera?
Why do you think you need it?
What is your old camera not doing?
Can you handle an enormous FF?
Are you gonna print 100X100?
Blah, blah blah, from all the guys shooting with d800's, like they have 500hp and you might hurt yourself.
I've always said, hey, it's your money, you worked your A$$ off for it, you spend it!!
Anyway, 43, why don't you get out the jaws of life, and try to extract that big chip on some of these guys shoulders!! :lol: :lol:
SS
May 27, 2014 23:20:00 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
I might discourage a newbe when it comes to purchasing his/her first camera as a high end. There is no need for over priced high end cameras unless he was going shoot professionally, but then again....he/she would be a newbe. I have seen many beautiful photos coming from a Nikon D90 as I have from most high end cameras. High end cameras are just another way for camera manufactures to con you into thinking you NEED them to take better photo's. Sad thing is, many people fall for that marketing scheme. Another 5-10 years high end cameras of the likes of the 5DIII and D800 will be considered "entry level" cameras. :)
May 27, 2014 23:21:07 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Basil wrote:
I started with a Canon Rebel (first get - only 6MP) but when I bought my 7D there was definitely a steep learning curve. I bought Michael the Maven's Tutorial DVD for the &D and was up and running in no time! In two, 1.5 hours videos he walks you through all the operations of the camera and helps you understand how it all works together. He even includes a good section on composition.
That's great, everybody would love to have a camera with a steep learning curve, I wish they all were that easy and fast to learn.
May 27, 2014 23:49:20 #
I spent a LOT of money on crummy sewing machines over fifteen years until I finally bought one that could plow through whatever fabric I threw under its presser foot with perfect stitches. I wasted a lot of time, emotion, thread and money.
The photographs you're producing now may be the equivalent to sewing straight-line kitchen curtains, but with concerted effort, study and practice, you'll be producing couture designs--because your D800 machine has the capacity to create without bunching up all the thread in the bobbin.
I've had my fair share of low-end cameras and lenses. Best is better!
The photographs you're producing now may be the equivalent to sewing straight-line kitchen curtains, but with concerted effort, study and practice, you'll be producing couture designs--because your D800 machine has the capacity to create without bunching up all the thread in the bobbin.
I've had my fair share of low-end cameras and lenses. Best is better!
May 28, 2014 00:06:21 #
This is more likely because comes with generic question like 'what camera should I buy?'
When I see I now move on because the folks asking this have not even considered a budget and 'giving a high end opinion' is not a good idea.
Guy does not even know what he wants and can afford for god sake. What car should I buy? Say that to a sales person and you end-up with a monster you cannot afford. Same with cameras.
I place the onus on the way the question is asked. There is no information, no personal research, NOTHING.
To me it is never about brand or features but about budget since 'location, location, location' works only for a few things like where to take a picture, not with what.
When I see I now move on because the folks asking this have not even considered a budget and 'giving a high end opinion' is not a good idea.
Guy does not even know what he wants and can afford for god sake. What car should I buy? Say that to a sales person and you end-up with a monster you cannot afford. Same with cameras.
I place the onus on the way the question is asked. There is no information, no personal research, NOTHING.
To me it is never about brand or features but about budget since 'location, location, location' works only for a few things like where to take a picture, not with what.
May 28, 2014 00:29:48 #
Certainly one can learn photography on a high end camera.
However, one advantage of starting on a more simple camera is the ease of learning how to focus one's attention on composition as well as develop an eye for recognizing what makes a photo interesting, without the distraction of endless settings options. There are plenty of photographers who use advanced, high end cameras with top of the line lenses yet produce images that are void of imagination and expressiveness.
However, one advantage of starting on a more simple camera is the ease of learning how to focus one's attention on composition as well as develop an eye for recognizing what makes a photo interesting, without the distraction of endless settings options. There are plenty of photographers who use advanced, high end cameras with top of the line lenses yet produce images that are void of imagination and expressiveness.
May 28, 2014 01:12:16 #
rook2c4 wrote:
Certainly one can learn photography on a high end camera.
However, one advantage of starting on a more simple camera is the ease of learning how to focus one's attention on composition as well as develop an eye for recognizing what makes a photo interesting, without the distraction of endless settings options. There are plenty of photographers who use advanced, high end cameras with top of the line lenses yet produce images that are void of imagination and expressiveness.
However, one advantage of starting on a more simple camera is the ease of learning how to focus one's attention on composition as well as develop an eye for recognizing what makes a photo interesting, without the distraction of endless settings options. There are plenty of photographers who use advanced, high end cameras with top of the line lenses yet produce images that are void of imagination and expressiveness.
It is just as easy to start out shooting in the P mode on the D800 and then progress on the D800 through the other modes, and various settings. It's kind of like learning new software.
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