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U.S. general says no plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11
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Mar 10, 2014 06:39:10   #
ocbeyer Loc: Baltimore
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
And what happened to the missing airliner which was followed on radar until its descent into the Pentagon? And its passengers? And all the radar records? Do the proponents of these crackpot theories believe that all those passengers didn't exist; that the flight didn't exist; that the radar records (which are always retained in the event of an incident) didn't exist; that the many controllers with knowledge of the radar track didn't exist or were all quietly murdered?

I think the good General shows the onset of Alzheimer's disease.
And what happened to the missing airliner which wa... (show quote)


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Mar 10, 2014 07:50:42   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
larrypayne wrote:
General Albert Stubblebine, member of the U.S. Army Intelligence Hall of Fame, said after reviewing the photos of the damage to the Pentagon that no airliner had hit the Pentagon. He adds that the three WTC towers were demolished with explosives and says big corporate media is lying to us.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=71c_1311362426

That story's been floating around since 9/12. If only he had hard evidence.

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Mar 10, 2014 07:56:32   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
Danilo wrote:
I would agree, Robert, that "odds are he is right". Trouble is, given the tons of physical evidence from the scene, his sampling is rather small. We could say that "based on his viewing of HIS sampling of the evidence, he is correct. To make more sweeping, and comfortable, conclusions we need more evidence. As you may know, Robert, there IS a huge parcel of evidence to accurately draw the conclusion our expert arrives at. But ALL the evidence needs to be applied, not just analyzing the photographic evidence.
I would agree, Robert, that "odds are he is r... (show quote)


Speaking of Photographic evidence...wasn't there security footage showing the plane crashing into the building?

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Mar 10, 2014 08:01:06   #
richard-sports Loc: New York City
 
"The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if
they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg,
February 30, 1908

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Mar 10, 2014 08:11:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
richard-sports wrote:
"The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if
they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg,
February 30, 1908

Whoops! I almost corrected you on the date, but 1908 was indeed a leap year. :D

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Mar 10, 2014 08:16:06   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
SteveR wrote:
Larry....When they were handing out brains, you thought they said trains and asked for a one track one.


Steve, Popular Mechanics? Are you kidding me?

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Mar 10, 2014 08:18:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
And what happened to the missing airliner which was followed on radar until its descent into the Pentagon? And its passengers? And all the radar records? Do the proponents of these crackpot theories believe that all those passengers didn't exist; that the flight didn't exist; that the radar records (which are always retained in the event of an incident) didn't exist; that the many controllers with knowledge of the radar track didn't exist or were all quietly murdered?

I think the good General shows the onset of Alzheimer's disease.
And what happened to the missing airliner which wa... (show quote)

See what happens when you give people freedom of speech? Anything goes. :D

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Mar 10, 2014 08:48:12   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Harvey wrote:
Post some facts backing this up. No body fires a whole staff on a magazine without the rest of the news media going ballistic to put them down and get their business - no such thing happened.



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"Perhaps it is merely a coincidence that just prior to 9/11 Cathleen P. Black, who has family connections to the CIA and Pentagon and is president of Hearst Magazines, the owner of Popular Mechanics, fired the magazine's editor in chief and several senior veteran staff members and installed James B. Meigs and Benjamin Chertoff, a cousin of Bush administration factotum Michael Chertoff. It was Meigs and Benjamin Chertoff who produced the magazine report that Griffin has eviscerated."
http://www.creators.com/opinion/paul-craig-roberts/9-11-and-the-evidence.html

Here's another:
http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpurgeofpmstaff.htm

Here's a book you should read if you have an open mind:
http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X

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Mar 10, 2014 08:49:38   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
Check out the generals and other high U.S. military personnel listed in this link - there are literally many dozens of them:

http://www.mo911truth.org/

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Mar 10, 2014 08:51:26   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
larrypayne wrote:
General Albert Stubblebine, member of the U.S. Army Intelligence Hall of Fame, said after reviewing the photos of the damage to the Pentagon that no airliner had hit the Pentagon. He adds that the three WTC towers were demolished with explosives and says big corporate media is lying to us.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=71c_1311362426

This guy is either losing it or he's an idiot. I was an eye witness. When I arrived by PATH train to the World Trade Center that morning I noticed all the commotion and was told by several people I met outside the building that they had seen a plane hit the north tower a short while before I arrived. At this point I was standing in front of the Brooks Brothers store directly across from the south tower. After a while I started to walk up Liberty Street towards Broadway to go to my office. Since there was so much activity going on where I was, I didn't want to be in the way. I was around 50-100 feet from Broadway when I turned around to see what was happening. Within a few seconds I SAW the second plane hit the south tower. Bits of debris and concrete dust rained down everywhere and I ran for my life down Broadway as I was pelted with dust particles. Anyone who suggests it didn't happen is delusional. By the way I'm sure your three towers reference was just a typo.

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Mar 10, 2014 08:51:40   #
TYRONE2581
 
In reply to Robert Graybeal,

The vast majority of the U.S. population would much rather take the red pill (ala' The Matrix) and continue to be in a state of blissful ignorance. Common sense would dictate that it would be virtually impossible for a jetliner to hit a building, and disintegrate to the point that the largest piece of debris that remains is only 2x3 ft. square. Go online and watch the recently released documentary written by Rachel Maddow of MSNBC entitled 'Why We Did It' (went to war in Iraq). It will help you to understand the False Flag reasoning for attacking Iraq who had nothing to do with 911.

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Mar 10, 2014 08:55:43   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
larrypayne wrote:
What they were picking up on radar was most likely a cruise missile. The radar operators said they thought it was a military plane because an airliner could not be flown like that.

It's possible all the planes were landed at a remote air base, possibly Stewart Air base which the planes flew near. They could then be switched with drones which could be remotely controlled and be more reliable to hit the targets than Cessna-trained Arabs. As far as what happened to the passengers, if the perpetrators are willing to kill thousands, a couple hundred more won't make much difference to them.
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What are you? A conspiracy theory moron? I was there. I saw a full size jet liner hit the south tower with my own eyes as did thousands of others.

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Mar 10, 2014 08:57:22   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
TYRONE2581 wrote:
In reply to Robert Graybeal,

The vast majority of the U.S. population would much rather take the red pill (ala' The Matrix) and continue to be in a state of blissful ignorance. Common sense would dictate that it would be virtually impossible for a jetliner to hit a building, and disintegrate to the point that the largest piece of debris that remains is only 2x3 ft. square. Go online and watch the recently released documentary written by Rachel Maddow of MSNBC entitled 'Why We Did It' (went to war in Iraq). It will help you to understand the False Flag reasoning for attacking Iraq who had nothing to do with 911.
In reply to Robert Graybeal, br br The vast major... (show quote)

You weren't there. I was. If you really believe this crap common sense would dictate that you're a moron.

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Mar 10, 2014 09:04:43   #
TYRONE2581
 
To mwsilvers,
No, he's not an idiot. There were three towers that fell that day. The two main towers and a the third was the result of one of the main towers falling on top of it. I don't think that anyone will dispute that the planes hit the tower. The question is 'did that cause the towers to drop from the sky like they would in a controlled demolition?' Again, try to apply common sense and reasoning and think about the earlier attempt to bring down the towers by driving explosive laden trucks into the garage underneath. (destroy the foundation and the building will crumble)

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Mar 10, 2014 09:07:44   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Aside from being nutty as a fruitcake, Mr. Payne's latest post ignores the reality of how airplanes work and are tracked on radar. The airplane contains a "transponder" which identifies the airplane on radar with its flight number, aircraft type, and other data. There is also a "primary echo" which reflects the size of the aircraft, even if the transponder is disabled. Any landing, pursuant to Mr. Payne's bizarre conjecture, would be shown on radar as the primary target and (if still active) the transponder image disappearing. In addition, there is no evidence from the flight track of any landing at any secret airbase. (Perhaps Mr. Payne believes the secret airbase is also where UFOs and their pilots are stored?)

Incidentally, does Mr. Payne believe that all the investigators and rescue personnel who responded to the Pentagon were killed or otherwise silenced?
Aside from being nutty as a fruitcake, Mr. Payne's... (show quote)


The transponders were turned off.
The FFA controllers who communicated with the planes and followed them on radar were interviewed and recorded after the attacks. Those tapes were destroyed. Why? http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/national/06CND-TAPE.html?ex=1084865280&ei=1&en=21c2fc316dcd78ef

If the perpetrators were going to land the planes at an airbase, do you think they would allow any records to show that. They controlled what records were kept.

Obviously all the investigators and rescue workers worked for the perpetrators and were probably drawn from the military and CIA.

As with the investigation of the WTC implosions, no independent investigators were allowed on the scene.

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