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Mar 9, 2014 21:00:05   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Do you smoke that stuff on a regular basis or is it mushrooms you are eating?

larrypayne wrote:
What they were picking up on radar was most likely a cruise missile. The radar operators said they thought it was a military plane because an airliner could not be flown like that.

It's possible all the planes were landed at a remote air base, possibly Stewart Air base which the planes flew near. They could then be switched with drones which could be remotely controlled and be more reliable to hit the targets than Cessna-trained Arabs. As far as what happened to the passengers, if the perpetrators are willing to kill thousands, a couple hundred more won't make much difference to them.
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Mar 9, 2014 21:12:19   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
larrypayne wrote:
What they were picking up on radar was most likely a cruise missile. The radar operators said they thought it was a military plane because an airliner could not be flown like that.

It's possible all the planes were landed at a remote air base, possibly Stewart Air base which the planes flew near. They could then be switched with drones which could be remotely controlled and be more reliable to hit the targets than Cessna-trained Arabs. As far as what happened to the passengers, if the perpetrators are willing to kill thousands, a couple hundred more won't make much difference to them.
What they were picking up on radar was most likely... (show quote)


Aside from being nutty as a fruitcake, Mr. Payne's latest post ignores the reality of how airplanes work and are tracked on radar. The airplane contains a "transponder" which identifies the airplane on radar with its flight number, aircraft type, and other data. There is also a "primary echo" which reflects the size of the aircraft, even if the transponder is disabled. Any landing, pursuant to Mr. Payne's bizarre conjecture, would be shown on radar as the primary target and (if still active) the transponder image disappearing. In addition, there is no evidence from the flight track of any landing at any secret airbase. (Perhaps Mr. Payne believes the secret airbase is also where UFOs and their pilots are stored?)

Incidentally, does Mr. Payne believe that all the investigators and rescue personnel who responded to the Pentagon were killed or otherwise silenced?

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Mar 9, 2014 21:19:27   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Yep Just plain ignorant of the facts you mentioned - or ---just plain ignorant.

Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Aside from being nutty as a fruitcake, Mr. Payne's latest post ignores the reality of how airplanes work and are tracked on radar. The airplane contains a "transponder" which identifies the airplane on radar with its flight number, aircraft type, and other data. There is also a "primary echo" which reflects the size of the aircraft, even if the transponder is disabled. Any landing, pursuant to Mr. Payne's bizarre conjecture, would be shown on radar as the primary target and (if still active) the transponder image disappearing. In addition, there is no evidence from the flight track of any landing at any secret airbase. (Perhaps Mr. Payne believes the secret airbase is also where UFOs and their pilots are stored?)

Incidentally, does Mr. Payne believe that all the investigators and rescue personnel who responded to the Pentagon were killed or otherwise silenced?
Aside from being nutty as a fruitcake, Mr. Payne's... (show quote)

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Mar 9, 2014 21:31:31   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Aside from being nutty as a fruitcake, Mr. Payne's latest post ignores the reality of how airplanes work and are tracked on radar. The airplane contains a "transponder" which identifies the airplane on radar with its flight number, aircraft type, and other data. There is also a "primary echo" which reflects the size of the aircraft, even if the transponder is disabled. Any landing, pursuant to Mr. Payne's bizarre conjecture, would be shown on radar as the primary target and (if still active) the transponder image disappearing. In addition, there is no evidence from the flight track of any landing at any secret airbase. (Perhaps Mr. Payne believes the secret airbase is also where UFOs and their pilots are stored?)

Incidentally, does Mr. Payne believe that all the investigators and rescue personnel who responded to the Pentagon were killed or otherwise silenced?
Aside from being nutty as a fruitcake, Mr. Payne's... (show quote)


Calling Mr. Payne ignorant is an insult to all the ignorant people out there. You know. The ones that stuck that idiot in the White House. TWICE!!!!!!! :shock:

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Mar 9, 2014 21:38:01   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
That too is a conspiracy! It is all a nightmare and will be gone when I/we wake up. I hope!

quote=pounder35]Calling Mr. Payne ignorant is an insult to all the ignorant people out there. You know. The ones that stuck that idiot in the White House. TWICE!!!!!!! :shock:[/quote]

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Mar 9, 2014 22:07:51   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Harvey wrote:
That too is a conspiracy! It is all a nightmare and will be gone when I/we wake up. I hope!

quote=pounder35]Calling Mr. Payne ignorant is an insult to all the ignorant people out there. You know. The ones that stuck that idiot in the White House. TWICE!!!!!!! :shock:
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Look at new topics. "Coach fired". I waiting for the feedback on that post. :lol:

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Mar 9, 2014 22:16:53   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Am I confused or is Harvey on the fence again? Can't decide what's true.

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Mar 9, 2014 22:20:40   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
SteveR wrote:
Am I confused or is Harvey on the fence again? Can't decide what's true.


I was kind of wondering the same. Half the time I'm agreeing with Harvey and then sometimes we're 180 degrees off. Maybe it's just me. :roll:

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Mar 9, 2014 22:30:58   #
papayanirvana Loc: Kauai
 
yeah Harvey, pick a side and stay there... yer makin folks uneasy with that there unaligned thinkin.

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Mar 9, 2014 22:33:47   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
papayanirvana wrote:
yeah Harvey, pick a side and stay there... yer makin folks uneasy with that there unaligned thinkin.


All thinking is unaligned. That's what makes life interesting. And sometimes dangerous. :thumbup:

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Mar 9, 2014 23:57:47   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I guess I chose the wrong words I was trying to make a joke about the turmoil of the past few years.

SteveR wrote:
Am I confused or is Harvey on the fence again? Can't decide what's true.


:oops: :oops:

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Mar 9, 2014 23:59:42   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Which Hollywood set is that volcano on?
I want to visit it when I'm in LA.


papayanirvana wrote:
yeah Harvey, pick a side and stay there... yer makin folks uneasy with that there unaligned thinkin.


;-)

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Mar 10, 2014 06:12:07   #
SqBear Loc: Kansas, (South Central)
 
pounder35 wrote:
This dude's in the Intelligence Hall of Fame? Scary! Next thing you know Obama will be in there. Really Scary! Must be some really low standards. :shock: :roll: :lol:


This "stumblebum" didn't watch the 2nd aircraft hit the tower??? After the first hit my crew called me in the break room to see the TV news and I stood and watched the 2nd aircraft hit the tower!! What is this man, a Army General(?) thinking? Whew!

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Mar 10, 2014 06:15:26   #
Shutter Bugger
 
Larry,

We need the General Stubblebines of this world.

Occasionally the easily accepted obvious answer is wrong.
Alternate views, even the apparently crazy ones should
not be ignored out of hand.

Before astronomy, if someone said "the earth is a sphere, and relative to a spherical earth there is no up or down"; they would have the credibility exactly that of General Stubblebine, even though they were 100% correct.

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Mar 10, 2014 06:30:55   #
Smokin' Joe
 
See any parts? Hell yes, I helped haul them off to be dumped.

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