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Jan 21, 2014 06:21:41   #
sye Loc: The Old Dominion Near DC
 
tschmath wrote:
George Washington WAS a traitor to the British government. But history is written by the winners. Had the South won the Civil War, Lee would be the Washington of the South. But he didn't win, so he is a traitor to his country.


"Lee, DC " ??? Doesn't have the same ring.

I wonder, who would be the incumbent this time ? Would our government be as screwed up as it is ?

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Jan 21, 2014 09:07:25   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Twardlow wrote:
But, you're not racist....?

The man you celebrate was a traitor, you know.



You are a little late Tward.... be original, not just following the lead of one of your idols...

racĀ·ism [rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

The failure to accept or to admire MLK to the point of giving him a "Holiday" of his own, has nothing at all to do with racism... but has all to do with the belief that he did nothing worthy of that Honor... He was a hero to his people and that is good... BUT to be "worshiped" on his special day is not something that I believe he deserved.

Mike

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Jan 21, 2014 09:19:06   #
SBW
 
tschmath wrote:
Robert E. Lee - the greatest traitor this country has ever known, a man who took up arms against and led an insurrection against his own country. How anyone can see him as a hero totally escapes me. He was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, so he is no hero. Grant should have had him arrested and hung from the rafters of the courthouse where he signed the surrender papers.


My goodness, what an ignorant hater you are. It is pretty sobering, if not frightening to think that you are a teacher and have a say in influencing our young people. You appear to know very little about American History especially in the area of our founding and what the founders were thinking and writing regarding the genesis of our constitutional republic. I suggest you become more familiar with the basics of our country's founding, history and the many documents that were written regarding same. You might also be served well by reading about what Robert E. Lee's adversaries thought of him. You are a very cogent example of someone opening their mouth and demonstrating just how ignorant they are.

Again, very concerning that you have any influence over young people. I have read some of your comments in these threads before. If you were not so vicious you would be a bit sympathetic. But it seems on a good day you are pathetic.

By the way, and just a finer point here. Lee DID NOT sign the surrender documents at the village of Appomattox Court House or any other court house for that matter. The surrender documents were signed at the McLean farm house. Get your history straight sport.

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Jan 21, 2014 09:29:16   #
gasmandon Loc: Bentleyville, PA
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Sure would have been a different song if the South had won!

That was never going to happen, Pittsburgh PA had twice the industrial output of all the goober states put together. They should have shot EVERY confederate combatant upon capture. This would have eliminated a lot of the problems we have today.

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Jan 21, 2014 09:29:25   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
tschmath wrote:
Any person who turns away from his or her country is a traitor to that country. He or she maybe hailed as a liberator or founding father in another country, but to his place of birth he or she could be considered a traitor. Washington is a traitor to the British, not to Americans. Benedict Arnold is a traitor to Americans, not the British. Eric Snowden can be considered a traitor to Americans, not to Russians. It all depends on which side you happen to be on. Pretty simple stuff. Lee will always be a hero to those who believe in in the CSA, but he was a traitor to the USA. Plain and simple.

And remember, Lee led an armed insurrection. Jane Fonda talked to the North Vietnamese, and she's villified to this day. Eric Snowden released damning documents, and he's cast as a traitor. Neither of those two people fired a shot, or were responsible for killing a single person. Lee had the blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans on his hands, and should never be considered a hero in any sense of the word by Americans today.
Any person who turns away from his or her country ... (show quote)


Jane Fonda aided and abetted the enemy and was used for propaganda purposes....If you look up the definition of a traitor you will see that it applies to that First Class POS. Same with John Kerry.

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Jan 21, 2014 09:53:00   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
pounder35 wrote:
And away we goooooooo................... :lol:



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Jan 21, 2014 10:27:20   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
lfdavis wrote:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Do this, and you become a new nation...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, tha... (show quote)


Thank you! :thumbup:

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Jan 21, 2014 10:30:30   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Twardlow wrote:
But, you're not racist....?


Pointing out the holiday for Robert E. Lee's birthday makes me a racist? The fact is it's not even mentioned any longer due to political correctness and reverse racism. :thumbup:

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Jan 21, 2014 10:35:56   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
gasmandon wrote:
That was never going to happen, Pittsburgh PA had twice the industrial output of all the goober states put together. They should have shot EVERY confederate combatant upon capture. This would have eliminated a lot of the problems we have today.


Now I've heard it all. :lol: You're pathetic. :shock:

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Jan 21, 2014 10:59:31   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
tschmath wrote:
Robert E. Lee - the greatest traitor this country has ever known, a man who took up arms against and led an insurrection against his own country. How anyone can see him as a hero totally escapes me. He was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, so he is no hero. Grant should have had him arrested and hung from the rafters of the courthouse where he signed the surrender papers.


I think Obama beat him out of the biggest traitor spot.

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Jan 21, 2014 11:01:23   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
tschmath wrote:
Any person who turns away from his or her country is a traitor to that country. He or she maybe hailed as a liberator or founding father in another country, but to his place of birth he or she could be considered a traitor. Washington is a traitor to the British, not to Americans. Benedict Arnold is a traitor to Americans, not the British. Eric Snowden can be considered a traitor to Americans, not to Russians. It all depends on which side you happen to be on. Pretty simple stuff. Lee will always be a hero to those who believe in in the CSA, but he was a traitor to the USA. Plain and simple.

And remember, Lee led an armed insurrection. Jane Fonda talked to the North Vietnamese, and she's villified to this day. Eric Snowden released damning documents, and he's cast as a traitor. Neither of those two people fired a shot, or were responsible for killing a single person. Lee had the blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans on his hands, and should never be considered a hero in any sense of the word by Americans today.
Any person who turns away from his or her country ... (show quote)


Your talking about Obama,aren't you?

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Jan 21, 2014 11:01:58   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
gasmandon wrote:
That was never going to happen, Pittsburgh PA had twice the industrial output of all the goober states put together. They should have shot EVERY confederate combatant upon capture. This would have eliminated a lot of the problems we have today.


Everyone of those Confederate combatants were American's. That is the sad part of the Civil
War. I've seen too many White, Blacks, Northern and Southern American personal killed and wounded in our wars. I fought along with them in RVN. Your statement shows how outside reality you are .

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Jan 21, 2014 11:02:41   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
imntrt1 wrote:
Jane Fonda aided and abetted the enemy and was used for propaganda purposes....If you look up the definition of a traitor you will see that it applies to that First Class POS. Same with John Kerry.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 21, 2014 11:14:27   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
All this talk of traitors, why don't you look in the history books. As some have said those who win, write history. So history has been written. You don't find that Lincoln made any attempt to hold the South or any of the participants as traitors. Reason? To do so would have continued the festering wound of the Civil War and of all its ugliness. He want to heal the wounds as quickly as possible. Looks like there are people today that are picking at the wound that Lincoln wanted healed. The argument here is moot, it was decided a long time ago with Lincoln.

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Jan 21, 2014 11:15:39   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
gasmandon wrote:
That was never going to happen, Pittsburgh PA had twice the industrial output of all the goober states put together. They should have shot EVERY confederate combatant upon capture. This would have eliminated a lot of the problems we have today.


The "goober states" are doing quite well. They have managed to attract a large amount of automobile manufacturing with Honda, Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, and Kia. Ship construction is going strong in South Alabama and Mississippi. Much research and development for the space program and missile defense takes place in the "goober states". Some of the most intense military training is based in the "goober states". Tourism is booming in the "goober states". How's your steel mills doing up there in PA. bubba? :roll:

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