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Jan 8, 2014 18:20:18   #
Grannysweet Loc: Sikeston, MO
 
So why not make the laws apply to two friends living together? What is the difference?

AuntPhil wrote:
Are inheritance rights, guardianship rights, medical rights, funeral rights, etc. all matters only for the bedroom?

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Jan 8, 2014 18:21:27   #
Grannysweet Loc: Sikeston, MO
 
Don't even know what you are talking about there....

Art Grandpa wrote:
And you are supporting the oppression of millions of God's children.

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Jan 8, 2014 18:21:42   #
Art Grandpa Loc: Washougal, WA
 
Grannysweet wrote:
So why not make the laws apply to two friends living together? What is the difference?


What's the difference between two adults getting married?

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Jan 8, 2014 18:27:14   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Grannysweet wrote:
If you are gay, be gay, if you are straight, be straight, who cares? Keep it to yourself. No one wants to know..... However, if you try to convince Christians it is morally right, it ain't gonna happen. Just keep the bedroom stuff in the bedroom and no one will ever care. Problem solved.


amen to keep it to yourself...

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Jan 8, 2014 18:27:31   #
rhitmrb Loc: Portland, OR
 
Grannysweet wrote:
So why not make the laws apply to two friends living together? What is the difference?


Two friends of opposite sex can already decide to get married and enjoy a wide variety of benefits even if they don't plan on procreating or even having sex.

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Jan 8, 2014 18:28:15   #
Grannysweet Loc: Sikeston, MO
 
Nothing if they are different sexes. That is if you think the bible is right. Now if you don't, then it doesn't matter.

By the way, I do believe people are born with gay tendencies. I have no doubt about that. AND if they choose to cohabitate, that is their business. However, legalizing it is not ok. Now I also believe people are born with tendencies to kill people. But I don't think it should be legalized for them to do so.

Art Grandpa wrote:
What's the difference between two adults getting married?

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Jan 8, 2014 18:28:19   #
rhitmrb Loc: Portland, OR
 
Grannysweet wrote:
You are definitely wrong about that.....


Keep your religion out of my laws, thanks.

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Jan 8, 2014 18:28:42   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Grannysweet wrote:
Don't even know what you are talking about there....


all he is doing, is he trying to justify he being gay supposedly. to himself.

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Jan 8, 2014 18:28:47   #
rhitmrb Loc: Portland, OR
 
Grannysweet wrote:
Nothing if they are different sexes. That is if you think the bible is right. Now if you don't, then it doesn't matter.

By the way, I do believe people are born with gay tendencies. I have no doubt about that. AND if they choose to cohabitate, that is their business. However, legalizing it is not ok. Now I also believe people are born with tendencies to kill people. But I don't think it should be legalized for them to do so.


Murder and homosexuality are in no way equivalent.

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Jan 8, 2014 18:46:51   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
AuntPhil wrote:
Women can have fully functioning penises and men can have a fully functioning womb and ovaries. There are many happy gay couples parents to their biological children. Anti-gay marriage proposals are denying these children married parents and a stable family. I believe Joe Biden even said this was the defining civil rights issue of our generation.


Your a BS'er
I happen to know both a transformed male and female. I knew the female to male for maybe 12 year before the change and many years after. We had many talks through those years.

The now male uses a pump to inflate, so that doesn't sound like a fully functional organ. I also recall something about him being sterile in his sperm.

The male to female change was one of my co-workers children. His father and I worked 30 years together or so. And definitely we had talks on the subject.
As to the female transformation, women at birth have all the eggs in them that they will ever have in their life. How did a male have these, in him, eggs so when the other female organs are implanted, the viable pregnancy happens as you proclaim. She need hormones to create a false period and without the hormones she can't have the period and other benefits for the hormone shots. There are no eggs involved. You are BS'ing.

Oh just thought of another hole in your story. Women when giving birth have their pelvic bone change from hard to soft to allow for the passing of the child. How does this transformation happen on a male? Its in the genes of the female for this event to happen?

And I'm sure I can recall a time or two Joe Biden wasn't such a character of a person for me to rely on his testimonial.

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Jan 8, 2014 19:01:17   #
BigE88 Loc: North Central Illinois - Rockton, IL
 
Gay Marriage:
1. Gays should have the same protections, advantages and disadvantages of marriage as straight couples.
2. I fail to see how any two people getting married can negatively affect the general course of life on this planet. Gays left alone do not breed but they can raise children in their care
and any child with two parents that care for them are better off than a child with only one or no parent.
3. Churches should not be forced to change their teachings or practices to conform to secular laws and mandates as it is contrary to the 1st amendment of the U.S. constitution regarding freedom of religion. Change must come from within the church not from forces outside the church.

Gun Control:
1. Fact:
Everywhere Gun Control has be tightened violent crime has gone up.
Everywhere Gun Controls have been repealed and concealed carry implemented all forms of crime have went down.
2. Any law that restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining arms equal to those arms used by common military and law enforcement personnel is an infringement and counter to the 2nd amendment.
3. The Supreme Court has ruled over and over again, that the type of weapons protected by the 2nd amendment are “ordinary military equipment” “in common use by the military” that “could contribute to the common defense”
4. Most gun control laws penalize law abiding citizens and do little to nothing to deter criminals from obtaining and using guns. Its like trying to stop drunk driving by outlawing cars.
5. Weapons, like “(bazookas, grenades, RPGs, etc…)”, are not “ordinary military equipment” “in common use by the military” that “could contribute to the common defense” they are special use weapons issued only to troops that are engaging an enemy in a combat zone and are under very strict control. Tanks and Jet Fighters, are equipment used by a very few specialized servicemen. Unlike the M16/A4, which are issued to all troops at one time or another.
6. Law abiding citizens do not buy guns to go out and shoot people. Guns are bought to put food on the table called Hunting, to protect their families and property called Security, and for enjoyment called Sport.

Lastly: If you don't like guns don't buy one and if you don't like gay marriage don't attend one. In the mean time, keep your nose out of other peoples business.

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Jan 8, 2014 19:05:41   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
creativ simon wrote:
Thought this was a photo forum not somewhere for you to keep harping on about gay this and gay that


It would seem that after 15,700 messages you would know what "General Chit-Chat" is for. :roll:

General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)

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Jan 8, 2014 19:09:43   #
AuntPhil Loc: Ireland
 
Ka2azman wrote:
Your a BS'er
I happen to know both a transformed male and female. I knew the female to male for maybe 12 year before the change and many years after. We had many talks through those years.

The now male uses a pump to inflate, so that doesn't sound like a fully functional organ. I also recall something about him being sterile in his sperm.

The male to female change was one of my co-workers children. His father and I worked 30 years together or so. And definitely we had talks on the subject.
As to the female transformation, women at birth have all the eggs in them that they will ever have in their life. How did a male have these, in him, eggs so when the other female organs are implanted, the viable pregnancy happens as you proclaim. She need hormones to create a false period and without the hormones she can't have the period and other benefits for the hormone shots. There are no eggs involved. You are BS'ing.

Oh just thought of another hole in your story. Women when giving birth have their pelvic bone change from hard to soft to allow for the passing of the child. How does this transformation happen on a male? Its in the genes of the female for this event to happen?

And I'm sure I can recall a time or two Joe Biden wasn't such a character of a person for me to rely on his testimonial.
Your a BS'er br I happen to know both a transforme... (show quote)


Ah, I can where the confusion arose, the transgender woman would have impregnated her lesbian partner who has a functioning uterus. And the transgender man would have carried to term his gay partner's child. Transgender women can halt androgen blockers and there is a a reasonable chance that they can produce active sperm, they could have stored sperm or they could have had the children prior to hormonal treatment. A similar situation can occur with the transgender man and cessation of hormonal treatment to allow for ovulation.

The incidence of transgender people in society is quite low (between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 100,000) so it's not a common situation. Especially as the dysphoric feelings of having a child in a manner typical to their birth assigned gender could be too great for quite a lot of trans people.

Like I said, it's rare but it does happen. And I would want any parents to have a safe environment to raise children, and that includes the right to marry.

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Jan 8, 2014 19:13:34   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
BigE88 wrote:


Gun Control:
1. Fact:
Everywhere Gun Control has be tightened violent crime has gone up.
Everywhere Gun Controls have been repealed and concealed carry implemented all forms of crime have went down.
2. Any law that restricts law abiding citizens from obtaining arms equal to those arms used by common military and law enforcement personnel is an infringement and counter to the 2nd amendment.
3. The Supreme Court has ruled over and over again, that the type of weapons protected by the 2nd amendment are “ordinary military equipment” “in common use by the military” that “could contribute to the common defense”
4. Most gun control laws penalize law abiding citizens and do little to nothing to deter criminals from obtaining and using guns. Its like trying to stop drunk driving by outlawing cars.
5. Weapons, like “(bazookas, grenades, RPGs, etc…)”, are not “ordinary military equipment” “in common use by the military” that “could contribute to the common defense” they are special use weapons issued only to troops that are engaging an enemy in a combat zone and are under very strict control. Tanks and Jet Fighters, are equipment used by a very few specialized servicemen. Unlike the M16/A4, which are issued to all troops at one time or another.
6. Law abiding citizens do not buy guns to go out and shoot people. Guns are bought to put food on the table called Hunting, to protect their families and property called Security, and for enjoyment called Sport.

Lastly: If you don't like guns don't buy one and if you don't like gay marriage don't attend one. In the mean time, keep your nose out of other peoples business.
br br Gun Control: br 1. Fact: br Everywhere Gu... (show quote)


an if you look at the states with most laxed gun control have the lowest crime rates.

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Jan 8, 2014 19:15:29   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
just seen on news utah voted down same sex marriage after a certain date.

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