lightchime Loc: Somewhere Over The Rainbow

Sorry DEBJENROB. Heyrob does not have a closed mind. It is open to anything that seems to confirm his opinion. He picks his soundbites and sidebars carefully - it only matters that they support the mind that is already made up.

In regard to global warming, or climate change, or whatever one decides to call it, something is clear. It is a global issue and Heyrob is correct that those who support it have not proven it with the scientific method. Although it may be desirable, the method may not be globally applicable. The best we can do is assemble the facts and theories and make an honest, unbiased interpretation. This has been done and will go on.

The comments about government support being done to support global warming is ludicrous. The government uses independent, well established scientists to determine which projects are fundable. Is this what is meant by peer review???

Comments about Al Gore: well he has made lots of money. That is the American way. Negative comments about him are just political bashing. The poorer the argument, the louder, nastier and poorer the opinions.

lightchime Loc: Somewhere Over The Rainbow

Guess I just wanted to say something twice.






Sorry DEBJENROB. Heyrob does not have a closed mind. It is open to anything that seems to confirm his opinion. He picks his soundbites and sidebars carefully - it only matters that they support the mind that is already made up.

In regard to global warming, or climate change, or whatever one decides to call it, something is clear. It is a global issue and Heyrob is correct that those who support it have not proven it with the scientific method. Although it may be desirable, the method may not be globally applicable. The best we can do is assemble the facts and theories and make an honest, unbiased interpretation. This has been done and will go on.

The comments about government support being done to support global warming is ludicrous. The government uses independent, well established scientists to determine which projects are fundable. Is this what is meant by peer review???

Comments about Al Gore: well he has made lots of money. That is the American way. Negative comments about him are just political bashing. The poorer the argument, the louder, nastier and poorer the opinions.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

I might be inclined to agree with you except that Al Gore made a silly amount of money associated with Global Warming and Carbon taxing. When you hail yourself as an "independent voice" but are conducting backdoor investments based on your message it hardly makes one impartial does it? Al Gore is and always will be a scam artist.

Dr.db Loc: Central Point, OR

Here's an interesting article that may reveal some of Al Gore's hypocritical tendencies:
http://blog.nonick.org/2008/07/al-gore-killed-clean-energy.html
(one of many articles on the topic if you Google "Al Gore killed the IFR")

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

You guys are almost funny in your blind adherence to this myth of Global Warming. You claim that I have a closed mind, yet I am the only one in the debate, so far as I am aware, with a background in science. Frankly I don't care if you believe what I say, I've done the research on both sides and my money is on the side of reasoned provable fact, and you are on the side of illogical pseudo-science.

In real science you use the scientific method to lead you to a reasoned provable conclusion. In the pseudo-sciences however, you start with a desired result and you make up the facts as you go along to get to your preconceived notions. This is the present state of the climate change debate. Despite thousands of leaked email proving that scientists are cooking the books, to persuade the scientifically inept of the validity of a completely flawed and unprovable theory. There are more than enough folks like you who are completely unable to see the facts when they are thrown in your face.

I realize that even when scientists who are at the core of this debate admit in their emails to one another, that there is no definitive proof of man's involvement, and that it's been hotter before, or that solar activity has more to do with the climate than anything, and there is no correlation between CO2 and global average temperatures, you'll still cling to your myths and ignore the facts. The funny part is that you then claim I'm the one who has a preconceived idea and a closed mind.

Here's one last tid bit for you, it seems that professor Phil Jones who was in the middle of the Climate-gate scandal admitted the possibility that "the world was warmer in medieval times than now" – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon. Oh no! Say it ain't so!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html

DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL

Is global warming about Al Gore .... if Al Gore did not make his movie ... are you inferring that there would not be any change in climactic conditions ... why kill the messenger because of the message ...

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

The term Hypocrite is bandied about here a lot.. especially when it comes from the left side of the aisle.....

Al Gore is a monster Hypocrite.........

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/02/gores_carbon_fo.html

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=2489e0b8-3e57-40eb-9748-6c250d63c40d

Some light reading for the afternoon....

Mike

lightchime Loc: Somewhere Over The Rainbow

[quote=heyrob]You guys are almost funny in your blind adherence to this myth of Global Warming. You claim that I have a closed mind, yet I am the only one in the debate, so far as I am aware, with a background in science. Frankly I don't care if you believe what I say, I've done the research on both sides and my money is on the side of reasoned provable fact, and you are on the side of illogical pseudo-science.

In real science you use the scientific method to lead you to a reasoned provable conclusion. In the pseudo-sciences however, you start with a desired result and you make up the facts as you go along to get to your preconceived notions. This is the present state of the climate change debate. Despite thousands of leaked email proving that scientists are cooking the books, to persuade the scientifically inept of the validity of a completely flawed and unprovable theory. There are more than enough folks like you who are completely unable to see the facts when they are thrown in your face.

I realize that even when scientists who are at the core of this debate admit in their emails to one another, that there is no definitive proof of man's involvement, and that it's been hotter before, or that solar activity has more to do with the climate than anything, and there is no correlation between CO2 and global average temperatures, you'll still cling to your myths and ignore the facts. The funny part is that you then claim I'm the one who has a preconceived idea and a closed mind.

Here's one last tid bit for you, it seems that professor Phil Jones who was in the middle of the Climate-gate scandal admitted the possibility that "the world was warmer in medieval times than now" – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon. Oh no! Say it ain't so!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html[/quote


Sorry, but I am several years post doctoral in a related science area and I do have the research tools to evaluate. Al Gore is not scam - just fodder for those of you who deny a significant problem and need another political scape goat.

Remember, meteorologists are right only about 50% of the time. Go look outside and see if there is precipitation.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

Really? And what related science is that?

lightchime Loc: Somewhere Over The Rainbow

Find out - or make one up!

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

HeyRob......I learned from you by reading your posts. Keep em coming.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

That's what I thought another BS'er without a clue.

On the brighter side here's more great news for you AGW worry warts...
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/12/18/no-global-warming-for-17-years-3-months-a-monckton-analysis/

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

Thanks imntrt1, it's nice to know that there are folks who can read and learn, and not just a those who seem proud of their ignorance. I threaten their flawed world view and they seem truly afraid that the sky isn't really falling. Odd don't you think?

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

Well, Yes and No. If we accept their flawed view they will counter with trying to convince us that "They" can fix it and we should be beholding to them. When the Sky doesn't fall they will tell us that it did not fall because of their intervention. My first suspicions that Global warming was not as presented was merely aroused by seeing who was touting its seriousness. Your posts have enlightened me a great deal and I appreciate that. Many years ago....In grade school....I used to tell everyone I wanted to be a scientist when I grew up....It was not to be because life got in the way....but I am still in awe of those that do it. In reflecting back on my life I suppose in some round about way I got involved in the science of criminal behavior by being a police officer for 38 years. It was fun to to be able to see, analyze, and stop criminal endeavor. I learned early on to trust my gut and know that sometimes something walking, talking and quacking like a duck was in fact, not a duck, but rather something someone wanted me to believe was a duck.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

Amen!

Oops, I hope that offended someone. ;)