rbrown919 Loc: Bowie MD

Maybe there's something wrong with me but I never saw this as being racial incident. Based on your comment, it appears that you place more emphasis on the people involved; where as, I chose to focus on what happened. I guess it all comes down to how we process information.....

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

Hey Doc ..... good to see you're following the trial so you get the facts first hand .....

rbrown919 Loc: Bowie MD

According to the autopsy report Martin did have traces of THC in his blood; however, because the amount so low it was determined that Martin had no recent drug use. Therefore, drugs did not play a role in the incident.

rbrown919 Loc: Bowie MD

What does the video have to do with this case?

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

Martin smoked pot earlier that day dummy ..... you copying your comments from somewhere or are you making it up as you go along .....

rbrown919 Loc: Bowie MD

Over the years , I have discovered that there are: (a) people who simply don't understand; and, (b) people who don't want to understand. No disrespect but in this conversation, I put you in category b. I didn't mean assumptions have been made in this case. I was only trying to point out the difference between being A suspect and being suspect. You can check any dictionary and you'll find that the word suspect (when used as a noun) is defined as a person who is believed to have committed a crime. Going back to my initial comment, I said Zimmerman's reference to Martin as the suspect, in my opinion, shows he has a police mentality...not saying that is good or bad, but it does bring about the possibility that he was more aggressive than he says he was.

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

I'm curious to know what terminology you'd have used if you'd been in that same circumstance. Seems to me to be pretty common terminology.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

rbrown919: Zimmerman said he deemed Martin as a suspicious person simply because he didn't recognize him. Do you believe that? And finally, I really don't think the state of Florida or any other state is intimidated or influenced by Al Sharpton's remarks.


Nagy: A person who regularly provides security for a small residential community generally recognizes all or most of the people who live there. If he does not become suspicious of anyone he has not seen before, he is not curious enough to be of much value.

How he acts on the suspicion is important. Just walking up to someone and asking, "Are you new here?" is one thing. Walking up contentiously and issuing threats is another. Most of the anti-Zimmerman sentiment takes exception with Zimmerman playing his expected role as director of the neighborhood watch.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

An intelligent defense is not primarily about Martin's past, although his past and Zimmerman's should be considered in the case. The physical evidence indicates that Martin beat Zimmerman rather severely before Zimmerman shot him. Zimmerman had a broken nose, abrasions and contusions on his cheeks, cut, swollen upper lip, and cuts on the back of his head. Martin had no injuries other than the single gunshot that killed him.

Zimmerman should be judged guilty if the evidence shows that although he had been taking a one-sided beating until he managed to reach his gun, in fact, it was he who started the scuffle and gave Martin reason to believe that he had to defend himself. Even then the case is obfuscated by the nature of Martin's assault, which went beyond self defense.

Self defense stops when the threatening individual is incapacitated. It is difficult to postulate that Zimmerman was much of a threat when he had not caused Martin a single injury until the fatal shot, and appeared to be taking a considerable beating from a man sitting on his belly. Beating someone after he is helpless is consistent with a sadistic intent to inflict injury, not self defense.

On the other hand, if the evidence shows no reason for Martin's attack, the incident looks like justifiable self defense. The apologists for Martin all take exception with what a neighborhood watchman is expected to do. The comment form the police dispatcher about "We don't need you to do that" should have no bearing on the case. The police would have wanted as little interaction as possible between the two in order to keep down the possibility of violence, even though following suspicious people and confronting them properly is the only way for security personnel to be effective.

The judgment of Zimmerman should not depend on one's socio-political affiliations, but on what the evidence shows. Zimmerman should neither be the latest criminal to benefit from KKK jury nullification, nor the victim of backlash justice that sacrifices him as collective payback for past injustices.

rbrown919 Loc: Bowie MD

Obviously, you know nothing about marijuana...first of all, I've never heard of anyone becoming violent after smoking a joint. To simply state he smoked that day is ludicrous but which seem par for your comments up to this point. According to Wikipedia, the following came from Martin's autopsy report:

Martin had trace levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his blood and urine.[144][145] The toxicology report found the levels to be 1.5 nanograms/ml of THC and 7.3 nanograms/ml of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science, stated that the THC amount was so low that it may have been ingested days earlier and played no role in Martin's behavior.

Now I ask you, where did you get the information that counters those findings? About your reference to Dummy, were you referring to me or looking in the mirror?

Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip

OJ got AQUITED
Zimmerman should go home and live a happy life

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

Ya right Doc, ya not a dummy ..... you're a "Big Dummy" .....

Follow the trial and trash the jail house lawyer reports Doc ..... the court room info by law is all that matters .....

I never said smoking pot makes someone violent ..... but now that you bring it up it does alter the way one thinks and acts .....

On Monday, the defense argued that the toxicology evidence should be admitted since Dr. Shiping Bao, the medical examiner who conducted the Martin autopsy said the THC — the active ingredient in marijuana — found in Martin’s body could have had a physical and/or mental effect on Martin.

That's the Medical Examiner Doc ..... go check it out and weep Big Dummy

The defense said it would have a witness ready to testify on the effect of Martin’s marijuana usage .....

BillHill Loc: Saint Augustine, Fl

Zimmerman should be judged guilty if the evidence shows that although he had been taking a one-sided beating until he managed to reach his gun, in fact, it was he who started the scuffle and gave Martin reason to believe that he had to defend himself. Even then the case is obfuscated by the nature of Martin's assault, which went beyond self defense.

You need to become familiar with Florida self defense law. If you are the aggressor initially and the other person gets the best of you and you believe your life to be in danger, you are then justified in using lethal defense

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

The correct name Doc is "The Stand Your Ground Law" allows you to use deadly physical force without retreating .....

JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again

Martin's motivations for attacking Zimmerman would be relevant if he survived and was on trial. But with Zimmerman on trial, his motivation and fear for his life is what's relevant.


I guess it only matters what the law says but your line of reasoning says that once Zimmerman made Martin feel threatened, if that was the case, then Zimmerman has relinquished all rights and is screwed no matter what. Either he lets Martin kill him or kills Martin and is guilty of manslaughter for making Martin feel threatened.