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Feb 21, 2013 17:27:56   #
CSI Dave Loc: Arizona
 
mrblackett wrote:
As resolution goes higher, moire is more apparent.


Just the opposite. Higher resolution tends to tame/avoid moire.

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/digitalimaging/processing/samplefrequency/index.html

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Feb 21, 2013 17:44:02   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
sbesaw wrote:


From DP Review "The critical thing here is that despite the fact that the D7100 is Nikon's third DX-format 24MP DSLR, its sensor is new, and unique in Nikon's stable. In a first for Nikon, the D7100's sensor lacks an optical low-pass filter (OLPF). The D800E, Nikon's highest-resolution DSLR has the effect of its OLPF 'cancelled out', but the D7100, like the Pentax K-5 IIs, omits it altogether. The result should be higher resolution than is possible from the conventional 24MP sensors in the D5200 and D3200, and Nikon clearly feels comfortable with the associated higher risk of moiré in fine patterns - one of the few black marks against the 36MP D800E when we tested it last year"
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Thanks. That adds some clarity. I'll check out all of what DPreview has to say.

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Feb 21, 2013 19:38:12   #
mrblackett Loc: Bloomfield, CT
 
Moire is increased with sharpness, I'm not sure if higher megapixels increased it, I've noticed reducing my image resolution helped rid the effects.

CSI Dave wrote:
mrblackett wrote:
As resolution goes higher, moire is more apparent.


Just the opposite. Higher resolution tends to tame/avoid moire.

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/digitalimaging/processing/samplefrequency/index.html

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Feb 21, 2013 19:45:41   #
sbesaw Loc: Boston
 
MtnMan wrote:
sbesaw wrote:


From DP Review "The critical thing here is that despite the fact that the D7100 is Nikon's third DX-format 24MP DSLR, its sensor is new, and unique in Nikon's stable. In a first for Nikon, the D7100's sensor lacks an optical low-pass filter (OLPF). The D800E, Nikon's highest-resolution DSLR has the effect of its OLPF 'cancelled out', but the D7100, like the Pentax K-5 IIs, omits it altogether. The result should be higher resolution than is possible from the conventional 24MP sensors in the D5200 and D3200, and Nikon clearly feels comfortable with the associated higher risk of moiré in fine patterns - one of the few black marks against the 36MP D800E when we tested it last year"
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Thanks. That adds some clarity. I'll check out all of what DPreview has to say.
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Yeah, it's pretty much all good.

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Feb 21, 2013 20:49:24   #
CSI Dave Loc: Arizona
 
mrblackett wrote:
Moire is increased with sharpness, I'm not sure if higher megapixels increased it, I've noticed reducing my image resolution helped rid the effects.

CSI Dave wrote:
mrblackett wrote:
As resolution goes higher, moire is more apparent.


Just the opposite. Higher resolution tends to tame/avoid moire.

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/digitalimaging/processing/samplefrequency/index.html


I suspect we are oversimplifying a pretty complex topic, but posted my response because I find the subject intruiging. I wasn't talking about lens sharpness/resolution, but sensor resolution. Moire patterns tend to appear when the sampling rate (aka pixel density) is about the same as the frequency of the details being recorded (aka image detail). That leaves lots of variability, including megapixels, pixel size, pixel density, subject, and subject distance. It seems that camera manufacturers are only recently putting weaker anti-aliasing filters on their cameras (or removing them entirely), just as the MP of sensors go up. I assume (yes, I know, Ass u me!) that's because they can finally get away from AA filters because of the higher resolution sensors. At least that's what the math would predict regarding the Nyquist frequency.

Curiously, I've seen examples that show moire after the file resolution is decreased, which is the opposite of your experience. I bet the results would be different depending if you started with a high MP image and reduced it, or used a lower resolution camera to capture the original image and left it full size.

Anyway, feel free to chime in, anyone. Or I'll just shut up and stop hi-jacking this thread :)

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Feb 21, 2013 23:16:55   #
Janusz Loc: St.Catharines-Ontario
 
I have some problem with LR-3 and PS-Cs5 . I just bought Nikon D600 and maked few test photo . Trying to open RAW (NEF) photo in PS5 - the camera is not recognized . LR-3 - format of photo is not recognized .
All format RAW(NEF) from my Nikon D7000 is perfectly recognized by both programs.
Any suggestion please.

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Feb 22, 2013 09:29:36   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Janusz wrote:
I have some problem with LR-3 and PS-Cs5 . I just bought Nikon D600 and maked few test photo . Trying to open RAW (NEF) photo in PS5 - the camera is not recognized . LR-3 - format of photo is not recognized .
All format RAW(NEF) from my Nikon D7000 is perfectly recognized by both programs.
Any suggestion please.


Update your ACR to the latest ACR 7.3 from Adobe. Its free on their website.

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Feb 22, 2013 20:36:25   #
Janusz Loc: St.Catharines-Ontario
 
Thank you very much
MT Shooter- I will do .
Kind regards.

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Feb 22, 2013 20:54:19   #
LittleRedFish Loc: Naw'lens (New Orleans)
 
MT Shooter wrote:
And look at this, it has the mode dial lock button from the D600!!!!
Other than that I can see no physical exterior differences, and only 1 1/2 hours before full specifications are officially announced.


I'm sure it's going to be great, after all they have to have at least one camera under $3000.00 with a decent MP. ;) hehe. :lol:

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Feb 23, 2013 11:54:25   #
Midnight Rider Loc: Alabama
 
Consider upgrading to LR4....there are some new features that are very nice. The upgrade is only $80 or so. IMO, it's worth it.

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Oct 24, 2013 14:12:17   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
harrimg wrote:
D800, the only way to go.


is this what your statement is based on. there nice . but no difference from the $700 Sony rx100 or is it the trx 100. it's the dx im talking about , not the small FF .

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Oct 24, 2013 14:37:23   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Acountry330 wrote:
Makes me wonder if I should buy the new 7100 or the D-800.


I'm not against buying a full frame , I'm against spending that amount of cash
for something that the average shooter will not see the in his pictures . if you
have the cash go ahead and buy it , I should say if you have the cash to throw away go ahead . it dosent stop there . there is up grades to computer ,
printers . the best lenses . yes there is certain lenses that work better on that camera among the same make , and focal length . even if I was a millionaire I would find it more sense for me anyway to buy the top dx and a couple choice
dx lenses , yes DX len's . if I wanted full frame it would be the fixed len's full
frame Sony . or at least wait untell they make a interchangeable len's for it .

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