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Feb 20, 2013 11:38:41   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Festina Lente wrote:
Do you have any photos of Aunt Amy with cousin Bob that were taken in Seattle? That is a 10 second search if you have things organized well from the get go.

I don't recall people with those names, but I'll take a look. :D

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Feb 20, 2013 11:41:59   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
marcomarks wrote:
The one thing I fear a lot in LR4 is the "do you want to: Delete from Catalog or Delete from Drive" choice box. I am many times getting dozy at 3 a.m. while editing and could feasibly sometime click the wrong choice. I don't know yet if delete from drive is reversible in LR4 or not.

I would think it would go into the REcycle Bin and be recoverable. Where does that delete choice appear? I'll test it.

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Feb 20, 2013 12:08:27   #
CSI Dave Loc: Arizona
 
mikemilton wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
mikemilton wrote:
For example If you have a keyword 'animals' that contains 'dogs' that contains 'boxer', when you tag a picture of a boxer, it will also inherit the tags dogs and animals. This is a lot easier than manually tagging all three and, later you can find the picture using any of them.

Can you elaborate on how you have keywords within keywords?


Sure.

You can drag them over each other, or right click and 'create a new keyword within...'


When you search for mammal you will get your dog (and other mammals) and you boxer (and other dogs)

When you tag a pic of a boxer, it will be tagged dog and mammal.



Note that you can have duplicates (and might want them) so you can, in the dog example above) also have:
People>Professions>Sports>Boxer

So you can get a lot of information about your boxer dog by tagging it:
Mammal>Dog>Boxer


quote=jerryc41 quote=mikemilton For example If y... (show quote)


Hmmm, but in this case when you tag your dog as a boxer which set of tags would it inherit? Mammal or Sports Professions? Or both? Very handy if you have a boxing boxer.

I'll play with it to see how it works...

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Feb 20, 2013 12:35:29   #
mikemilton
 
CSI Dave wrote:
mikemilton wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
mikemilton wrote:
For example If you have a keyword 'animals' that contains 'dogs' that contains 'boxer', when you tag a picture of a boxer, it will also inherit the tags dogs and animals. This is a lot easier than manually tagging all three and, later you can find the picture using any of them.

Can you elaborate on how you have keywords within keywords?


Sure.

You can drag them over each other, or right click and 'create a new keyword within...'


When you search for mammal you will get your dog (and other mammals) and you boxer (and other dogs)

When you tag a pic of a boxer, it will be tagged dog and mammal.



Note that you can have duplicates (and might want them) so you can, in the dog example above) also have:
People>Professions>Sports>Boxer

So you can get a lot of information about your boxer dog by tagging it:
Mammal>Dog>Boxer


quote=jerryc41 quote=mikemilton For example If y... (show quote)


Hmmm, but in this case when you tag your dog as a boxer which set of tags would it inherit? Mammal or Sports Professions? Or both? Very handy if you have a boxing boxer.

I'll play with it to see how it works...
quote=mikemilton quote=jerryc41 quote=mikemilto... (show quote)


Also, you will get both dogs and sports people if you search only using 'boxer' (just like you do on Google hehehe). Oh, you will also get that nice car in your garage.

The answer is you have to use the correct tag. The easiest ways are to drag the tag onto the picture or drag the picture onto the tag. You know it is the correct one because it is in the list under dog.

You can also avoid duplicates, but this is one example where that is difficult.

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Feb 20, 2013 12:41:02   #
CSI Dave Loc: Arizona
 
mikemilton wrote:
CSI Dave wrote:
mikemilton wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
mikemilton wrote:
For example If you have a keyword 'animals' that contains 'dogs' that contains 'boxer', when you tag a picture of a boxer, it will also inherit the tags dogs and animals. This is a lot easier than manually tagging all three and, later you can find the picture using any of them.

Can you elaborate on how you have keywords within keywords?


Sure.

You can drag them over each other, or right click and 'create a new keyword within...'


When you search for mammal you will get your dog (and other mammals) and you boxer (and other dogs)

When you tag a pic of a boxer, it will be tagged dog and mammal.



Note that you can have duplicates (and might want them) so you can, in the dog example above) also have:
People>Professions>Sports>Boxer

So you can get a lot of information about your boxer dog by tagging it:
Mammal>Dog>Boxer


quote=jerryc41 quote=mikemilton For example If y... (show quote)


Hmmm, but in this case when you tag your dog as a boxer which set of tags would it inherit? Mammal or Sports Professions? Or both? Very handy if you have a boxing boxer.

I'll play with it to see how it works...
quote=mikemilton quote=jerryc41 quote=mikemilto... (show quote)


Also, you will get both dogs and sports people if you search only using 'boxer' (just like you do on Google hehehe). Oh, you will also get that nice car in your garage.

The answer is you have to use the correct tag. The easiest ways are to drag the tag onto the picture or drag the picture onto the tag. You know it is the correct one because it is in the list under dog.

You can also avoid duplicates, but this is one example where that is difficult.
quote=CSI Dave quote=mikemilton quote=jerryc41 ... (show quote)


Thanks for clarifying. I've been using LR for about a year, but have been lazy about creating keywords. [Yes, I know it's definitely easier to do it during import than after the fact, but I didn't know any better until fairly recently.] I do try to create a folder structure that makes it very easy to find my images, so it hasn't been a big deal yet. After I shoot 10,000 more images it might get a little unwieldy unless I start tagging things.

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Feb 20, 2013 12:41:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
CSI Dave wrote:
Very handy if you have a boxing boxer.

Or a boxer with a boxer.

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Feb 20, 2013 12:48:43   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
marcomarks wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
I've been using LR3 & 4 for quite a while, but I've never gotten involved with the catalog system. Let's say I want to get all my images into LR, so it can keep track of them - or whatever it does. What would I do?


I imported all mine but I have always organized my files as a "My Pictures" main folder on my hard drive with it broken down into general subject subfolders which are then broken into further defined sub-sub folders and sometimes even sub-sub-sub folders. All I did with LR4 was to tell it to import My Pictures and clicked on the button "include subfolders" that pops up in a window just before the import begins. When it imported, everything came in all at once and completely.

Be aware that LR4 only keeps track of what you have "imported" into it. If you add photos, folders, subfolders and such onto your hard drive (let's say from a memory card) using Windows Explorer or whatever Mac calls their file management, you have to tell LR4 to synchronize so it will review what's in the main folder it has already imported, look at your hard drive for a comparison, and recognize the new stuff to also import. Otherwise those photos will not show up in LR and you'll think they're lost but they aren't.

LR can directly import from the memory card when you plug it in, save them to hard drive, and skip the Windows Explorer step but I'm old school, new to LR, and still have geezer fear of doing it that way with very important work-related files. I'll work with it more with recreational fun family shots as I have time so I don't cause myself great damage if I lose something.

The one thing I fear a lot in LR4 is the "do you want to: Delete from Catalog or Delete from Drive" choice box. I am many times getting dozy at 3 a.m. while editing and could feasibly sometime click the wrong choice. I don't know yet if delete from drive is reversible in LR4 or not.
quote=jerryc41 I've been using LR3 & 4 for qu... (show quote)


Delete from Drive is reversable (Windows) because the deleted (original) images go into the recycling bin. Easy enough to restore and the reimport into LR, but you will lose any edits since the catalogue entry is also deleted.

I am also a 0300 hours editor, and the safest way is to put the images into collections. These pics can be edited, printed, exported etc. but they cannot be deleted directly from a collection. My workflow to delete is to select the picture in a collection, colour code (I use blue) and ignore. Later I go to all pictures, filter for all images colour coded blue, double check them, then delete from disc. Not less than one week later, open recycle bin, scan the pics and all being well, permenantly delete.

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Feb 20, 2013 20:57:23   #
Birdog9999 Loc: New Jersey
 
Jerry,

You can file photos outside lightroom but it's so much easier to do it inside lightroom the syncronize works but it's more time consuming. Aslo tags are a must they take time setting up but are so useful in finding what you want that you don't want to be without them. Using the import is a little confusing a first but as you play wiht it it makes sense. I wasn't a fan of lightroom but I'm starting to come around.

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Feb 20, 2013 21:14:40   #
Birdog9999 Loc: New Jersey
 
If you import them and tell lightroom not to copy or move them but to add them, it will add them to the catolog without changing a thing.

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Feb 20, 2013 21:37:14   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
Birdog9999 wrote:
If you import them and tell lightroom not to copy or move them but to add them, it will add them to the catolog without changing a thing.


You cannot Add from a card or camera - you must copy either as DNG or Tiff,jpg or raw

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Feb 20, 2013 23:22:59   #
rcurrie Loc: Kingsport, TN
 
Jerry, To get the most from Lightroom, you need a good tutorial. I suggest the one by Laura Shoe. Go to www.laurashoe.com.

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Feb 21, 2013 07:08:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rcurrie wrote:
Jerry, To get the most from Lightroom, you need a good tutorial. I suggest the one by Laura Shoe. Go to www.laurashoe.com.

Thanks.

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