Post Edited or Not?? (Page 9): And???

OnTheFly Loc: Tennessee

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quagmire wrote:

on Patriot Post e mail they had some green sheet photos.

rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA

Eugene wrote:

What are the thoughts on the photo of Obama shooting a shotgun? Is it edited or is it real?
Let's not argue about this. Just your thoughts and maybe an explination of why you have that thought.
Please don't turn this into a gun debate or political debate.
This is a photography forum. This question is calling on the expertise of the photographers.
I trully don't care about your opinion on gun control or politics.

Then why is this post in the general chit chat section?
Sounds like an instigating question looking for controversy.
Sorry, not biting on this one.

OnTheFly Loc: Tennessee

Sorry you feel this way but you're entitled to feel however you want.
But, if you don't like it, don't respond to it. It's that simple. If I don't like what is on television, I change the channel.
That's how that works.

rayford2 wrote:

quote=Eugene What are the thoughts on the photo o... (show quote)

OnTheFly Loc: Tennessee

Once again, I will say that I have defended the photo as much as I have been negative....Read the rest of my post.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

I had two questions come to mind when seeing this photo, and neither involved photoshopping. The first question, is what is he shooting at? It sure isn't skeet, those fly up or out and up, so either way the angle of the gun looks more like he's shooting a paper target. The other question is what it that other plume of smoke going at a right angle to the muzzle? Maybe a video of the photo op would clear up any doubts that folks have.

As an aside I guess a congresswoman has challenged BHO to a skeet shoot, but he declined. Probably didn't want to get shown up by a woman, especially one with a gun. :-)

pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"

rayford2 wrote:

quote=Eugene What are the thoughts on the photo o... (show quote)

Over 2200 posts and you still don't know what the General Chit-Chat section is? :roll:

Timaloha Loc: Cape Cod, MA USA

heyrob wrote:

I had two questions come to mind when seeing this ... (show quote)

I pointed out earlier in this thread that skeet shooting is not limited to bird targets. There are also "rabbit" targets that are rolled or bounced along the ground. Also, it is not unusual to track a bird target nearly to the ground. The smoke issue is simply the result of a ported barrel which is designed to vent gas in order to lessen recoil or kick-up and improve accuracy.
As for the congresswoman's challenge, why on earth would he accept that? One, he hasn't claimed to be a skilled shooter, and two, it's a lose-lose situation. If he wins, his detractors will say big deal, he beat a woman, and if he loses, they'll call him a wimp for losing to a woman. The whole issue is stupid and the photo is genuine. Considering that Obama and his team were smart enough to handily defeat Romney, Karl Rove, legions of pundits, lawyers, electioneers and unprecedented corporate money, etc, I think it is safe to assume they're smart enough not to put out a fake photograph when it would take five minutes to take a real one.

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

It's a shotgun...

steve03 wrote:

this is a distraction being used by both sides Who cares if he fired a rifle. we should get back to important thing that affect our lives.

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

It is a double barrel, called an over and under, you are thinking side by side.

Mattie wrote:

dannyp59 wrote:

I don't think it is photo shopped, he does have eye and hearing protection. He is a person just like you and I and has 2nd amendment rights like all of us and likes to shoot skeet

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I feel that is an older photo cause he is very skinny here and he has since put on some weight now. And I also THOUGHT I heard him say he and his GIRLS went sheet shooting at Camp David all the time... which surprised me... but what I dont understand if he was skeet shooting.. why is his gun pointed straight with smoke coming out the end and straight out the side at the same time..You get to shoot twice in case you missed the first shot, cause it's certainly not blow back or it wouldnt be straight with a second shot and certainly not having the same smoke out the side at the very same time.... I was under the impression a clay disk is shot upward and you shoot upward into the air.. Why is his gun pointed straight ahead if he is shooting at a clay disk that has just been shot upward..... If he was shooting at a disk.. and you can see the smoke.. his gun would have been in the upward position not straight out... what is that second smoke coming out the SIDE and the FRONT of the gun too and at the same level too when the disk is already in the upward in the air. His gun wouldnt have been in the same position either if he missed the first disk.... I think the picture is a fake... Perhaps the photographer was trying to make him look foolish...which he did!!! Frankly.... I believe he was shooting at a target like a bullseye straight in the distance...but even then.. normally you shoot with a pistol... I believe he was trying to impress people he can do anything --- even shooting a shot gun !!!! Now he wants to show people he can skeetshoot too !!!! Skeet shooting requires a double barrel shotgun cause you get to shoot twice.. but the smoke certainly doesnt come straight out the side either while shooting the second shot at the same level. Besides... his finger doesnt even look like it was pulled back (all the way too) with those shots. It looks like he just has his finger on the trigger waiting to pull it back. Its all a fake as far as Im concerned.

quote=dannyp59 I don't think it is photo shopped,... (show quote)

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

ROFL! I scrolled down and I laughed out loud!

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Eugene wrote:

This is the one I received.

KW Conch Loc: USA

Timaloha wrote:

quote=heyrob I had two questions come to mind whe... (show quote)

Excellent response. I salute you.

mslubner Loc: Redskin Ridge, Texas

RichieC: "The stock is sticking up past his shoulder into the air, a rookie move. It is pointing quite low for most skeet or trap targets. And only when the stock is in its proper cradle of your shoulder, will you be able to sight properly down the barrel."
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All spot on. I believe the "yellow" ring is brass and I've seen them on some guns although I don't know the exact purpose, but a compression ring rings true in my mind. My thought on this is that with the stock in this position, the eye wear and ear guards, how can anyone be sure it's truly him at all?

It appears "real" to me; however, it is almost conclusively, IMO, a posed shot (by the gun, the model,and the photographer)and means very little in the end other than it brings negative/positive attention to a debatable and hot topic. :-)

rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA

pounder35 wrote:

quote=rayford2 quote=Eugene What are the thought... (show quote)

You specifically stated this is a Photography forum and wanted expertise of photographers. Then you decided to add your own rules regarding what you wanted to hear for replies.

heyrob Loc: Western Washington

Timaloha wrote:

quote=heyrob I had two questions come to mind whe... (show quote)

The only single argument you present you present about the photo is that perhaps he's tracking a clay toward the ground. That possibility did elude me the first time around. Rabbits? Unless there is a hill out there or they jump really high, the gun angle is still too high for that. I also considered the ported theory and rejected it since they don't port just one side of a barrel. The porting is symmetrical on both sides.
I'm not even going to stoop to commenting on the rest of this drivel, its the same old tired liberal whining we all hear from the left add nauseum. Shall I ramble on about election fraud, FBI impoundment of voting machines, etc.?

Timaloha Loc: Cape Cod, MA USA

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Timaloha wrote:

quote=heyrob I had two questions come to mind whe... (show quote)

The only single argument you present you present about the photo is that perhaps he's tracking a clay toward the ground. That possibility did elude me the first time around. Rabbits? Unless there is a hill out there or they jump really high, the gun angle is still too high for that. I also considered the ported theory and rejected it since they don't port just one side of a barrel. The porting is symmetrical on both sides.
I'm not even going to stoop to commenting on the rest of this drivel, its the same old tired liberal whining we all hear from the left add nauseum. Shall I ramble on about election fraud, FBI impoundment of voting machines, etc.?[/quote

I did NOT say he's tracking towards the ground. I pointed out the fact that skeet shooting provides targets the both fly and roll/bounce along the ground. I offered no opinion on which he may be shooting at, just that both possibilities exist. According the the leading provider of custom porting for shotguns, Mag-na-port International, single side porting of professional-grade shotgun barrels is very common for exactly the reasons I pointed out in my previous posts. Eleven holes in two rows are drilled in a small group near the end of the upper right side of the barrel, which is EXACTLY the position where the smoke in the image is exiting the barrel. The photo is genuine.