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Apr 8, 2024 11:09:39   #
pendennis
 
dennis2146 wrote:
For once we might even agree. I have a couple of friends who are Iranian and are now living in America. One came here just before the Shah was thrown out years ago. She tells me Iran was once very friendly to America, women went to the beautiful beaches wearing bikini bathing suits and so on. The Shah of Iran was well into hunting and invited numerous Americans to hunt sheep in Iran. Yes it was a great country and its people got along with Americans. All true.

BUT then the religious overthrow came. The LEADERS of Iran, the Mullahs, decided to throw their own people back on 800 years into the dark ages. The religious leaders took over and decided to hate America and have pushed that narrative of hate ever since.

But back to what I was saying. The people of Iran may very well love Americans and want to live the Western ways but that isn't going to happen is it while the LEADERS of Iran dominate the people. It isn't the people of Iran our Left Wing leaning Socialist government is sucking up to but the religious leaders who DO hate America and have threatened to blow us off the planet with nuclear bombs. How do you on the Left forget that part. The people of Iran have no say in the matter do they?

Dennis
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Although I didn't major in Poly Sci during my college days, I do have enough credits for a major (my school would not grant double majors at the time). One of my classes was "Politics of the Middle East", taught by a female Persian professor. She insisted she was Persian, not Iranian. She advocated, through her text, that the U.S. should have supported the Shah, primarily through "gunboat diplomacy". Although complicated, the Shah should have dispatched SAVAK to Paris and kill Khomeini. Logic was that keep killing heads of Shi'a and few folks would want to step in. Yes, I'm very much aware of SAVAK's reputation, but what the Shah faced was just as fearful.

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Apr 8, 2024 11:19:59   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
Any idea why innocent Palestinians are jailed in Israel without charges or trials for years .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/more-than-8000-palestinians-in-israeli-jails-rights-groups-saD

Both sides. Must release all hostages and prisoners !!!

Even thousands of Israelis are protesting Netanyahu.

“”” Tens of thousands of Israelis have rallied against Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, demanding a Gaza hostage deal.
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The Israeli people havd already recognizy that Netanyahu is using the “ hostages “ as an excuse for the taking of land not Israel’s . You should also .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68754109
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Of course I have no idea and have honestly never heard of that happening. Perhaps you could share more on this.
Perhaps those Palestinians in custody have committed crimes. But no matter WHAT, do you honestly think the attack on innocent civilians with babies being beheaded, women raped, hostages taken and still held and so on is an appropriate response for some being held in prison? Can there be ANY excuse by the Palestinians for what happened back in October?

Dennis

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Apr 8, 2024 11:25:29   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
pendennis wrote:
Although I didn't major in Poly Sci during my college days, I do have enough credits for a major (my school would not grant double majors at the time). One of my classes was "Politics of the Middle East", taught by a female Persian professor. She insisted she was Persian, not Iranian. She advocated, through her text, that the U.S. should have supported the Shah, primarily through "gunboat diplomacy". Although complicated, the Shah should have dispatched SAVAK to Paris and kill Khomeini. Logic was that keep killing heads of Shi'a and few folks would want to step in. Yes, I'm very much aware of SAVAK's reputation, but what the Shah faced was just as fearful.
Although I didn't major in Poly Sci during my coll... (show quote)



You mean the Shah American who was a despot and supported by America for decades ? Is that who you’re speaking of?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

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Apr 8, 2024 16:31:57   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
DennyT wrote:
Any idea why innocent Palestinians are jailed in Israel without charges or trials for years .


No idea, but it does sound exactly like the US Democrats and the J6 fiasco.

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Apr 8, 2024 16:37:58   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
travelwp wrote:
Must Israel kill all the Palestinians to get a one state solution?

Most internet bloggers seem vague on the subject, but they seem open to the suggestion.


You forget the Israel originally agreed to a two state solution in 1948 but the Palestinians rejected it. I'm not sure what you're trying to stir up with this post.

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Apr 8, 2024 16:58:46   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
SteveR wrote:
You forget the Israel originally agreed to a two state solution in 1948 but the Palestinians rejected it. I'm not sure what you're trying to stir up with this post.


it because Israel excluded all Palestinians who Palestinian land was taken by Israel .The deal would not allow Palestinians back onto land they owned and equal citizenship under the law. It’s called right of return

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Apr 8, 2024 17:05:10   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
DennyT wrote:
it because Israel excluded all Palestinians who Palestinian land was taken by Israel .The deal would not allow Palestinians back onto land they owned and equal citizenship under the law. It’s called right of return


Read the second paragraph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

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Apr 8, 2024 18:35:39   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
SteveR wrote:


We are talking about Palestinians refusal to accept Israel two state solution

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Apr 8, 2024 18:42:01   #
LinksUp
 
DennyT wrote:

The Israeli people havd already recognizy that Netanyahu is using the “ hostages “ as an excuse for the taking of land not Israel’s . You should also .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68754109


Just curious, who occupied this "disputed" land in 1900, 1800, 1700, 1600, 1500. . . . 1AD, 1BC, 100BC, 1000BC, 2000BC. . . .

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Apr 8, 2024 19:16:25   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
dennis2146 wrote:
The Left has been supporting Iran for years. Yes POS Biden and his supporters are idiots for ever thinking Iran and America can be friends. Yet they continue supporting Iran in every way begging for Iran to like America. It ain't gonna happen.

Dennis


George Bush and the other Happy Amigos upset the Iran-Iraq stalemate ... against ALL Middle East strategic and military imperatives. And yes ... Iran has been freed-up to export and fund terrorism for over 20 years thanks to this optional adventure by a pack dumb war criminals

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Apr 8, 2024 19:44:10   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Here’s a simple solution
1. Gaza and West Bank become the state of Palestine.
2. Hamas returns all hostages
3 Israel returns all Palestinians prisoners and allows those that want to stay in Israel on their land
4. Israelis in West Bank settlements give back or mutually agree with legal owners the purchase and can stay if they want.

How’s that ?

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Apr 8, 2024 19:45:07   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
LinksUp wrote:
Just curious, who occupied this "disputed" land in 1900, 1800, 1700, 1600, 1500. . . . 1AD, 1BC, 100BC, 1000BC, 2000BC. . . .


Who cares who who occupied most America in the 1500-

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Apr 8, 2024 19:52:25   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
DennyT wrote:
Here’s a simple solution
1. Gaza and West Bank become the state of Palestine.
2. Hamas returns all hostages
3 Israel returns all Palestinians prisoners and allows those that want to stay in Israel on their land
4. Israelis in West Bank settlements give back or mutually agree with legal owners the purchase and can stay if they want.

How’s that ?


That's fair. But the genocide of Palestinians and beachfront settlements seems to be the preferred Zionist option now.

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Apr 8, 2024 20:19:33   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Texcaster wrote:
That's fair. But the genocide of Palestinians and beachfront settlements seems to be the preferred Zionist option now.


Just I dont think most Israelis want that - just the Netanyahu crowd. War is always about the land and who controls it

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Apr 8, 2024 20:34:02   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
DennyT wrote:
it because Israel excluded all Palestinians who Palestinian land was taken by Israel .The deal would not allow Palestinians back onto land they owned and equal citizenship under the law. It’s called right of return


That's why the two states were proposed. Ever read Exodus by Leon Urich? Perhaps if the Jews hadn't had to fight just to get into the country it would have been an entirely different situation. The Brits armed the Arabs, never thinking that the Jews would win.

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