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Mar 12, 2024 13:38:17   #
rwww80a Loc: Hampton, NH
 
Measles can lead to hearing loss or deafness. Always has, that's why a vaccine was developed.

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Mar 12, 2024 13:40:34   #
RKastner Loc: Davenport, FL
 
Scouser wrote:
WhenI was in Grade School, measles was no big deal. It was way before the MMR vaccinations were even thought of.
Typically, Little Johnny would come into class and say to the teacher, "Please Miss, my sister won't be in for a few days, she's got measles". The prevalent attitude was, OK, let's get this over with before the holidays.
So why do we break out the Hazmat suits and go into Level 3 lock-down when someone even whispers the word?
Something must have changed!


I remember staying home from school with the measles and playing with the neighbor kids when they got home from school.

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Mar 12, 2024 13:44:56   #
Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY
 
Bret P wrote:
I had measles as a kid and it was miserable, but I was OK after.

It wasn't a "big deal" because there was nothing you could do about it anyway until the vaccine was available.

But some died and others got permanent injuries.
Let's hope that doesn't happen again.


Me too.
All I remember was the red bumps all over me.
But that was it.

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Mar 12, 2024 14:06:01   #
druthven
 
As recipients of the Darwin awards the anti-vaxers will eventually be weeded out.

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Mar 12, 2024 14:30:53   #
halraiser
 
ruzbynik wrote:
I wrote that 40,000 were infected. Fortunately most infected persons don't die. So what I wrote is actually true.


There are risks either way, vaccinated or not vaccinated. That was most apparent with the covid vaccines rushed to market. It is useful to consider two types of risk:

Alpha (sometimes called type one) risk is the risk that you do something and it causes a problem, eg. the vaccine has bad side effects.

Beta (sometimes called type two) risk is that by not doing something, you forego the benefits that would have come from it, eg. immunity to covid.

We should consider both types of risk in all major decisions, including vaccination

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Mar 12, 2024 15:22:06   #
Capn_Dave
 
Scruples wrote:
Before people immigrated into this country they were hospitalized on Ellis Island. People were evaluated and examined for medical conditions. I think one of the worst conditions is Tuberculosis. Many people come to this country under asylum from other countries with oppressive governments. They were not properly treated against this disease and had only received minimal drug therapy. As a result these people have multi drug resistant TB. We now have to use drugs that are only available through the CDC. This is one of the newest medical challenges we face.

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Thank you. There is nothing to stop them from being vetted in any way

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Mar 12, 2024 15:53:53   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
Silversleuth wrote:
To those ardent anti-vaxers, no amount of reason, logic or scientific data can deter them from their delusions about efficacy or dangers of vaccinations. Remember polio? Well that was pretty much wiped out by vaccination. One thing that can't be prevented or cured: Stupid.


Maybe they should start a telethon to raise money for research into how to cure or at least mitigate stupid. Stupidity appears to have reached the level of being a full fledged epidemic.

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Mar 12, 2024 15:55:03   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Capn_Dave wrote:
Thank you. There is nothing to stop them from being vetted in any way

hahaha...
You're absolutely correct!!!
So why don't they?
They don't care to do so.

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Mar 12, 2024 16:19:15   #
carlberg
 
ruzbynik wrote:
I am optimistic that acquiring sufficient knowledge can prevent and cure stupidity. For example (no offense intended) you may be stupid regarding vaccine failures but some research can cure that. The Sabin oral polio vaccine was perhaps the best vaccine ever produced but the Salk vaccine in 1955 caused 40,000 polio infections. There are other vaccine failures and unfortunately the COVID spike protein injection will eventually be proven to be one of them. The previous sentence is just an observation of a small but growing fringe minority.
I am optimistic that acquiring sufficient knowledg... (show quote)

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Mar 12, 2024 16:43:48   #
carlberg
 
My reply was lost in transmission.

Most if not all the polio infections with the Salk Vaccine were caused by a manufacturing error in one batch and had nothing to do with the fact it was an enormously effective vaccine. And the most successful Covid vaccines were based on an mRNA injection, not a spike protein injection.

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Mar 12, 2024 18:52:40   #
ruzbynik Loc: Victoria BC
 
carlberg wrote:
My reply was lost in transmission.

Most if not all the polio infections with the Salk Vaccine were caused by a manufacturing error in one batch and had nothing to do with the fact it was an enormously effective vaccine. And the most successful Covid vaccines were based on an mRNA injection, not a spike protein injection.


MRNA or otherwise, you still end up with a big load of spike protein in excess of what an actual virus infection would cause. Before the "safe and effective" promotion weren't spike proteins were regarded as pathogenic?

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Mar 12, 2024 20:14:26   #
Silversleuth Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
The spike proteins are ANTIGENIC, not Pathogenic. you need the replicating portion of the virus for pathogenicity.

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Mar 12, 2024 20:46:27   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
One must remember that some people are very sensitive to medications and vaccines. Early on in the Covid epidemic, I got vaccinated with the one that required two injections. That was before I got my heart valve replaced and my son insisted that I get the shot. I had absolutely no side effects whatsoever. About the same time my biking buddy got the same vaccine and had body aches and a low grade fever for three days and spent one entire day in bed.

I haven’t taken a lot of different medications, but I’ve never had any reaction. Other people have bad reactions to medications, slightly bad food and other stuff. My kids and friends joke about my cast iron stomach because I can eat some pretty bad stuff with no ill effects. I’m no Superman but that’s just the way I am, just like my mom. Stuff never bothered her while just about anything would upset my dad’s stomach.

I guess what I’m saying is that I’m sure some vaccines or medications have no ill effects on the majority of people but there will always be a few individuals that could even die from the same ones bc

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Mar 12, 2024 21:19:49   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
ruzbynik wrote:
I wrote that 40,000 were infected. Fortunately most infected persons don't die. So what I wrote is actually true.


Most people don’t know the great struggle that enveloped our country. President FDR was stricken with polio. He was very careful and struggled to keep it secret. He inwardly felt that people would believe him to be able to hold office. The country was fearful of people with disabilities. The desk in the Oval Office had an opening below which he had covered to hide his leg braces. That same desk appears in another photograph with President JFK and his son.

An interesting book about FDR is titled, “The Man He Became,” by James Tobin. It almost pinpoints the date and location he contracted Polio.

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Mar 13, 2024 00:30:41   #
Tote1940 Loc: Dallas
 
Measles is probably the most infectious disease. Among non vaccinated never infected expect 100% will get , an small percent severe a few fatal
Before vaccine, my case, it was one of the almost unavoidable chilhood illness (5 of them if I recall ) killed and maimed more kids than Mumps, Diphteria also bad killing by chocking and heart damage.
Vaccine ( my children received 60’s) was so effective that it almost dissapeared.
With Covid many children fell behind in vaccination schedules and ignorance epidemic triggered by anti Covid hysteria allowed more mothers to skip vaccines.
So nature takes over and we have Measales again.
Do not confuse with German measeles a much more benign disease in children but birth defects in pregnant ladies
Whether we like it or not we need vaccines for different purposes protect individual and protect community, the latter like removing brush and dry leaves between trees to prevent forest fires

All we do in life and Medicine has risks, no medicine or vaccine is free of side effects but they must be compared with risk of not doing something
I have had patients killed in traffic on way to my office or dialysis unit. Should everyone stop seeing physician or getting treatments for fear of accidents on the way ti?

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