It is just information that can be useful to some. If you are not interested, just ignore it. When was the last time that more information was bad ? ;o)
Leinik wrote:
It is just information that can be useful to some. If you are not interested, just ignore it. When was the last time that more information was bad ? ;o)
When I saw a three screen dissertation.....
Longshadow wrote:
I wonder how many people wrote all that information down for each shot before EXIF came into being.
I never did.
I almost never look at the EXIF information either, but it's there for whatever <remote> reason I might want to view it. Mostly camera or focal length.
Everyone has their own needs/desires though, for whatever reason.
EXIF settings are potentially deceiving, unless you are looking at an unaltered SOOC JPEG. Why? Two use cases, two reasons:
> If the SOOC JPEG has been altered in post-processing software, you have no idea how much. And if it's more than 2/3 stop boost of underexposure, or 1/3 stop cut of overexposure, it probably looks unnatural, anyway.
> If a virgin JPEG was created after post-processing a camera raw file with extensive adjustments to exposure, blacks, whites, shadows, highlights, contrast, saturation, white balance, and other parameters found in parametric editors (i.e.; Lightroom Classic), then the original EXIF data is only a wet middle finger in the wind to the reader!
Then, of course, if you apply various neural filters or AI technology to a file, is the original EXIF data meaningful at all? No. And what if I copy one of my old 35mm film negatives from the late 1960s to mid-1970s, using my Micro 4/3 camera, and process that in Negative Lab Pro, Lightroom Classic, and Photoshop? Does the result bear any resemblance at all to the data that accompany it, or to my original film camera settings? In both cases, the answer is, "No, of course not!"
Fish Hatchery on Planet Zork 2 (Tri-X film to digital raw to neural filtered fantasy…) At this point, the EXIF is gibberish.
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Linda From Maine wrote:
Depth of field is dependent on camera type (because of different sensor sizes) and focal length, so aperture setting generalizations are tough:
https://photographylife.com/what-is-depth-of-field#"Bokeh" is the quality of an out-of-focus area, dependent on the lens:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-609910-1.htmlRegarding shutter speed, if someone understands that faster means "stop action" (sharp), and slower means blurry, wouldn't they already have enough information to try their own test shots on flowing water?
If they don't know the most basic purpose of shutter speed selection, it seems that a beginner course in exposure would be job #1.
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Why can't someone profit from information about a target range of shutter speeds for blurry waterfalls, and use examples as a takeoff for their own test shots? If a successful image uses 1/x secs shutter speed, I'd know I probably didn't have to look at 1/10x. I've only been pursuing photography for about 70 years, the first twenty or so with a handheld meter, but I've only very rarely sought to shoot a blurry waterfall, so that sort of information would give me a starting point for my own investigations. And, again, what exactly is the harm?
burkphoto wrote:
EXIF settings are potentially deceiving, unless you are looking at an unaltered SOOC JPEG. Why? Two use cases, two reasons:
> If the SOOC JPEG has been altered in post-processing software, you have no idea how much. And if it's more than 2/3 stop boost of underexposure, or 1/3 stop cut of overexposure, it probably looks unnatural, anyway.
> If a virgin JPEG was created after post-processing a camera raw file with extensive adjustments to exposure, blacks, whites, shadows, highlights, contrast, saturation, white balance, and other parameters found in parametric editors (i.e.; Lightroom Classic), then the original EXIF data is only a wet middle finger in the wind to the reader!
Then, of course, if you apply various neural filters or AI technology to a file, is the original EXIF data meaningful at all? No. And what if I copy one of my old 35mm film negatives from the late 1960s to mid-1970s, using my Micro 4/3 camera, and process that in Negative Lab Pro, Lightroom Classic, and Photoshop? Does the result bear any resemblance at all to the data that accompany it, or to my original film camera settings? In both cases, the answer is, "No, of course not!"
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Another reason I usually don't bother with them.
Obviously the EXIF information for a scanned image will not contain the data for the
original image.
That's a no-brainer.
Oh, wait............
burkphoto wrote:
...If a virgin JPEG was created after post-processing a camera raw file with extensive adjustments to exposure ...
Way back on page 1, I mentioned high contrast lighting, and shooting for a specific "look." I think that those who recommend sharing exif usually expose for best details in all areas of a scene and do minimal editing. They don't go out searching for the most extreme light they can find
cbtsam wrote:
Why can't someone profit from information about a target range of shutter speeds for blurry waterfalls, and use examples as a takeoff for their own test shots? If a successful image uses 1/x secs shutter speed, I'd know I probably didn't have to look at 1/10x. I've only been pursuing photography for about 70 years, the first twenty or so with a handheld meter, but I've only very rarely sought to shoot a blurry waterfall, so that sort of information would give me a starting point for my own investigations. And, again, what exactly is the harm?
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"Harm" is potential mis-understanding by recipient (novice), but mostly I'm suggesting (strongly) that a basic course in exposure should be job #1.
terryMc
Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
Linda From Maine wrote:
Depth of field is dependent on camera type (because of different sensor sizes) and focal length, so aperture setting generalizations are tough:
https://photographylife.com/what-is-depth-of-field#"Bokeh" is the quality of an out-of-focus area, dependent on the lens:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-609910-1.htmlRegarding shutter speed, if someone understands that faster means "stop action" (sharp), and slower means blurry, wouldn't they already have enough information to try their own test shots on flowing water?
If they don't know the most basic purpose of shutter speed selection, it seems that a beginner course in exposure would be job #1.
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I gotta say, Linda, that while your hands may be shaky, your logic is anything but...
Also, I find the "bokeh" stuff to be mostly hilarious. Some think it means blurring the background, some think it
is the background, many shoot "bokeh" and don't worry about the subject, or the "bokeh" is the subject. It has been my purposeful practice to completely ignore "bokeh."
terryMc wrote:
I gotta say, Linda, that while your hands may be shaky, your logic is anything but...
I find the "bokeh" stuff to be mostly hilarious. Some think it means blurring the background, some think it is the background, many shoot "bokeh" and don't worry about the subject, or the "bokeh" is the subject. It has been my purposeful practice to completely ignore "bokeh."
The B word is often mis-used on flickr, in the examples you've listed.
I just looked up iPhone bokeh. At least this group of photographers understands
"Bokeh is a quality of the blur in the background of your photos. It’s characterized by soft light reflections that show up as out-of-focus circles. “Excellent bokeh” can also refer to the overall quality of the background blur, meaning it’s soft, creamy, and pleasing to the eye. Until recently, bokeh could only be achieved with a DSLR camera and a high-quality lens, but newer iPhone models are using innovative lens technology and special software to create gorgeous bokeh portraits. The iPhone XS models even allow you to adjust bokeh with a slider after you take a picture."https://macpaw.com/how-to/iphone-portrait-mode.
terryMc wrote:
I gotta say, Linda, that while your hands may be shaky, your logic is anything but...
Also, I find the "bokeh" stuff to be mostly hilarious. Some think it means blurring the background, some think it is the background, many shoot "bokeh" and don't worry about the subject, or the "bokeh" is the subject. It has been my purposeful practice to completely ignore "bokeh."
Bokeh is what "happens" in my shots.
burkphoto wrote:
Photography really is not a "painting by the numbers" sport. It's reactive art performed in real time. It's cause and effect, call and response. A particular set of settings may work one moment, but be totally wrong a few seconds later. It may work for one photographer's interpretation of a scene, but another photographer may treat the scene entirely differently.
The difference between a wannabe and a real photographer is UNDERSTANDING gained through reading, study, observation, testing, trial and error and retrial, feedback from critics, editors, designers, friends, family... lather, rinse, repeat. Through experience, we internalize the principles of photography so that we apply them instinctively, subconsciously, from muscle memory, almost like driving or playing a musical instrument. We become one with the camera, thinking about the scene and translating that thought into composition, settings, focus… and whatever else it takes.
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Thanks! Better put than I. I would add that the process you describe be should be fun and rewarding even though it loops forever. The one with camera effect is the principal reason I haven’t purchased a new camera in several years. A new camera would get in the way when I get in the red zone.
Three screens for a dissertation, that is really short !
I do not think there is a typical category that would or would not benefit from shooting data. Some are just curious, what is the problem with that? And as has been rehashed enough, it depends on cases (photographs) and recipients (viewers). Again those not interested can ignore the data, those interested will read it. Is this such an issue??
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