An observation that will most likely end up in the Attic but without my intent.
Mac wrote:
I must have grown up in a bad area.
Oh, there were a few of those in Philly.
Now one counts the good neighborhoods.....
Bridges
Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
therwol wrote:
I agree with you that there shouldn't be a minimum on stealing. I think that minimums are set because law enforcement is undermanned and tied up with more serious crimes. Same with the court system and jails.
Yes, but why do they use the police and the courts for silly things?
Recently I was threatened with arrest over a parking ticket. I have lived in PA for 33 years and got two parking tickets, one about 30 years ago which I paid the same day I received it, and the recent one. I didn't know I had gotten a ticket because it either blew off or a kid removed it (I was told sometimes they pull a ticket off a car and put it on another car for fun). It was during a large musical festival and there were packs of kids roaming around.
One day I received a notice that I owed 35.00 due to non-payment. It stated that if five tickets were outstanding the city would tow the car or place a boot on it. At that time I had been down with pneumonia and didn't pay the bill much mind. About two weeks later I received a second letter explaining I now owed 145.00 and was to report to court on Nov. 11th. When I showed up the court was open but they weren't doing traffic cases that day due to the holiday (President's Day). That afternoon I received a letter explaining a mistake had been made and now I was to report on Jan. 5th. Failure to appear would lead to my arrest.
Finally, I got my day in court, and being a photographer I brought in an 8x10 glossy showing the meter was unable to be read due to condensation inside the window.
My case was dismissed but it required someone to send out correspondence, took the time of a parking authority person to be present, took the judge's time, and cost me two trips of about eight miles each way (so much for cutting down on greenhouse emissions).
Why can't money like this be repurposed to deal with actual crime?
Bridges
Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
Mac wrote:
You “know that no one — absolutely no one” would have shop lifted in the 1950s?
If they did it was a solo act or maybe two (a lookout and the thief). These roving gangs would not have been tolerated!
WAWAs can be pure chaos & shoplifting is way too easy. It’s a sad state of affairs to be sure. Pathetic behavior.
doxphoto wrote:
... Pathetic behavior.
Sadly, that's the key operator.
Mac
Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
Bridges wrote:
If they did it was a solo act or maybe two (a lookout and the thief). These roving gangs would not have been tolerated!
I am 75, I’ll be 76 in August. I was born in 1948. I grew up in the 1950s and 60s until I went in the Navy in 1966. My comments come from my own personal experiences. If what you say comes from your personal experiences of the 1950s then we grew up in different environments.
Bridges wrote:
I was in a Wawa, (for those who do not know what that is, it is one of the new class of gas stations with 12 to 24 pumps and a store of about 8000 sq. ft. that sells enormous amounts of coffee, sodas, beer, snack food, and a kitchen that makes everything from salads to burgers, to pizza) a group of 7 or 8 kids from around 9 to 12 came in and left in about three minutes. A customer pointed out to the cashier that they had grabbed stuff and just walked out with it. Yea, the cashier said, it happens every day. The mayor and police know about it and won't do a thing. Please note: I did not mention the kid's color, the party affiliation of authorities, or anything that would be considered political. It is just an observation. I'm thinking more of the moral conduct of our society and how it seems to be crumbling.
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Yes, I'm told the attic can be a very cold and lonely place for a lowly Hog. We're a ship badly in need of righting.
My girlfriend and I were at a Big Lots store and we saw a woman walk out pushing a full shopping cart. The store employees were only interested in recovering the goods and took no steps to apprehend her and hold her for the police. They did not even write down the license plate of her car.
TriX wrote:
I would like to comment in some detail how this relates to parenting and national leadership, but I don’t want to send it to the attic either.
Yeah, we are learning that you can get away with anything. Today's parents, who raise today's kids, are the children of our children. If only we had done a better job.
Burtzy
Loc: Bronx N.Y. & Simi Valley, CA
Bridges wrote:
Maybe we are heading to a time where brick-and-mortar stores are so unprofitable that .com will be the major way people shop in the future. The only alternative to make up for the loss from theft is to raise prices. Higher prices will turn people away from shopping and eventually, the cycle will be such that stores will close. .com commerce took a giant leap forward when covid hit and while people were glad and embraced the return to normal shopping, online shopping is still way ahead of what it was pre-covid. It continues to gain market share each year.
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Then, the new smash and grab will simply be porch piracy.
Here in NYC, 5 illegals stomped and kick 2 police officers, breaking one of the officers bones.
They were arrested, then released without bail, returning these violent vermin to the streets.
They all ended up fleeing to California, where California officials claim they are a sanctuary state, and won’t extradite these criminals back to NYC.
All of this, violence, open borders, rampant stealing forcing many stores to close, etc., etc., lay at the feet of “progressives.”
The inmates have taken over the asylum.
Bridges wrote:
I was in a Wawa, (for those who do not know what that is, it is one of the new class of gas stations with 12 to 24 pumps and a store of about 8000 sq. ft. that sells enormous amounts of coffee, sodas, beer, snack food, and a kitchen that makes everything from salads to burgers, to pizza) a group of 7 or 8 kids from around 9 to 12 came in and left in about three minutes. A customer pointed out to the cashier that they had grabbed stuff and just walked out with it. Yea, the cashier said, it happens every day. The mayor and police know about it and won't do a thing. Please note: I did not mention the kid's color, the party affiliation of authorities, or anything that would be considered political. It is just an observation. I'm thinking more of the moral conduct of our society and how it seems to be crumbling.
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I know from store workers that they cannot and should not make physical contact with a suspected shoplifter. There is the potential for injury to either party and the potential for lawsuits. Theft is one thing, but personal injury is another. It's a different situation with the police, though.
It would have been better if you had stopped before, "Please note."
I live in a small town in Louisiana, and this sort of activity is not permitted and promptly taken care of by authorities. If it goes unpunished, it will only get worse.
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