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Jan 24, 2024 08:49:00   #
srt101fan
 
This whole topic seems to be a one-sided, overly biased and cynical condemnation of the lowly consumer. Gross generalizations may help some folks vent steam but do little else

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Jan 24, 2024 08:52:12   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
burkphoto wrote:
If it makes you feel better! I felt better after my rant.


You deserve to feel better. You pointed your finger at approximately 70% of the users of UHH and told them how foolish they are. The words you wrote hit directly at laziness and few people like to admit that fault. How often do people ask for “ help” and be told the exact location of the information they seek, and that location is a page from the owner’s manual? Happens almost daily. Very few seem willing to work for something if they can get someone else to do it for them. Slackers seem to think buying a camera makes them a photographer. Imagine early pioneers of photography using that philosophy. You hit the whiners directly in the seat of their pants. Thank you very much for your honesty.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:02:05   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
Basil wrote:
Read your post. Interesting points. My problem is, I'm a gear nerd. I love all things tech. Always have. Started my life after High School as a repairman on the NORAD SAGE computer system. Far from powerful by today's standards, but infinitely more complex to repair. The "manual" was huge. You could not just pull a card to fix a problem - you had to figure out exactly which leg of which AND OR NOR or NAND gate was bad, or which multi-vibrator circuit (out of millions) was not flipping from 0 to 1, etc. In High School I was into CB radio and my room was filled with so much radio gear it looked like mission control. With camera gear, I got into "serious" photography rather late in life. I do read through the manuals, but often find I don't remember everything I've read, so sometimes have to go back for a refresh. I'm not ashamed to ask the odd question if I run into a problem or don't understand something.
Read your post. Interesting points. My problem is,... (show quote)

You just don’t encounter SAGE (Semi Automatic Ground Environment) mentioned on a random internet site very often. I drive past the Syracuse building twice a working day driving my handicapped son two and from work at a company next door. In the midst of a severe storm warning a few years back he said “I think I’ll work in the SAGE building today!” The 709 was huge! The building has a perennial real estate sign in front of it.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:06:13   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
davidrb wrote:
You deserve to feel better. You pointed your finger at approximately 70% of the users of UHH and told them how foolish they are. The words you wrote hit directly at laziness and few people like to admit that fault. How often do people ask for “ help” and be told the exact location of the information they seek, and that location is a page from the owner’s manual? Happens almost daily. Very few seem willing to work for something if they can get someone else to do it for them. Slackers seem to think buying a camera makes them a photographer. Imagine early pioneers of photography using that philosophy. You hit the whiners directly in the seat of their pants. Thank you very much for your honesty.
You deserve to feel better. You pointed your finge... (show quote)

Can't you hear the din of responses now? ---
"How many of the early pioneers of photography even had a one-page manual to wade through? If they did okay without readin' any manual, why can't we?"
😋😋

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Jan 24, 2024 09:09:03   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
I have been reading the manual for years; occasionally I wonder what third grader wrote the jiberish while on coffee break from making hammers. Over the years manuals seem to have gotten less helpful.

I have been a pc user for decades and a few years ago we got a macbook pro for my wife who relied on me to know how to use it. It took a long time to get up to speed. It sits idle for months and and the learn curve starts over when pln for travel and travel. We get by; but once home I am back on the desktop.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:14:24   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
limey wrote:
It sure would be nice if the manuals were intelligible. Then perhaps people would read them.


For sure, reading comprehension is needed on each side of the table -- the writer's chair and the consumer's chair.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:19:54   #
bobups Loc: Bath pa
 
How many people haven’t read the instructions on there new non stick pans where they say do not use cooking sprays

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Jan 24, 2024 09:31:57   #
srg
 
burkphoto wrote:
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, apparently, a controversial concept. Over the ten years or so I've been on UHH, and the 50 years of my "aware" life before that, I've noticed that a large number of people seem to gloss over the fact that technology is complex. They buy things that they think they want, but they don't do their research in advance, to be sure that THEY and their new devices, are compatible with what they want to do. They yank them out of the box, plug them in, turn them on, and get disappointed.

"Ready? FIRE!! (Uh, Aim, maybe? You just took out the neighbor's flower pot…)"

We're living in an age where our technical tools are not like hammers and screwdrivers, which are easily mastered by third graders. When you buy a hammer or screwdriver, it doesn't come with a manual, because it doesn't need one. It has a fairly singular purpose and a well-known and understood method of use. But technical gear — cameras, audio, video, computers, and cars — is different. These and many other tools and toys require serious consideration before buying, and serious study before use… IF we are going to get our money's worth from them.

Those of us who write user guides and technical manuals for products and software are usually the first to test the usability and viability of the product. If even the smallest detail doesn't work for us, we explain the issues we find to the product development team AND their directors. Making operation EASY for the customer IS HARD WORK for developers, engineers, and product design staff. It's just as difficult for trainers and training content developers.

One of the unfortunate assumptions companies make about their products is that customers WILL READ the documentation that explains proper use and care. Yet surveys have shown that up to 78% of customers never read it. Many users don't want anything to do with an 830+ page camera manual, or even any sort of a 20 page "Quick Start" guide.

I get all of that, but I also know from hiring many people in a photo lab — and from training school portrait photographers, office staff, and sales people — that understanding and mastering technology requires some quality time, focus, and a certain level of detail orientation. Patience with the documentation and with the entire learning process is usually rewarded with great results and long, trouble-free product life.

There is an old acronym that floated around the Internet BEFORE 1993, when the World Wide Web was born: 'R.T.F.M.' When users got stuck, and posted questions on a bulletin board forum for the tech support staff, the POLITE response was often, "Well, did you read the manual?" Soon enough, that got shortened to the acronym.

"Read The *Fine* Manual!" is the polite version of the acronym. After the tenth or eleventh call from the same user, with the same question, the tech support person would hang up the phone after a call, and yell into a paper bag, substituting whatever 'F' word suited his/her mood.

So here's my simple request to the universe of tech purchasers. Please read the documentation that comes with your purchase, or that you can download from the manufacturer's website at no additional cost. You will learn things you can do with your device that you never thought possible. You will avoid pitfalls that cause 80% of the issues people have with their devices. You will get more done, in less time, with better outcomes! You will trust the maker of the product more, because you understand what they do and don't expect you to do with their devices.

ESPECIALLY if you have used another brand of product in the same class, you need to read the manual just to UNLEARN how your old device of another brand worked. Don't expect brand L to work like brand N. Don't expect brand F to work like brand T. Terminology may be different, control placement may be different, and the way some of the functions work almost certainly will be different.

Don't try to make a Ford drive like a Toyota. It will just annoy you. Don't try to make a Windows PC work like a Mac. It will just frustrate you. They are different brands with different design philosophies and result from different ways of thinking about the same tasks. Take them for what they ARE, not for what they are not.

A little reading won't kill you. Operation may not be obvious, even when you think it should be. There's a reason for everything, and you need to know what it is, if you are going to get along with your new device. Read the freaking manual, and get your money's worth.
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, ... (show quote)


Usually now, when you buy something at home depot, and you are at work, the "manual" says things like you must wear your safety glasses, don't drink or swallow the product and other inanities. At the end they say you can download the instructions when you get back home to your computer.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:37:11   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, apparently, a controversial concept. Over the ten years or so I've been on UHH, and the 50 years of my "aware" life before that, I've noticed that a large number of people seem to gloss over the fact that technology is complex. They buy things that they think they want, but they don't do their research in advance, to be sure that THEY and their new devices, are compatible with what they want to do. They yank them out of the box, plug them in, turn them on, and get disappointed.

"Ready? FIRE!! (Uh, Aim, maybe? You just took out the neighbor's flower pot…)"

We're living in an age where our technical tools are not like hammers and screwdrivers, which are easily mastered by third graders. When you buy a hammer or screwdriver, it doesn't come with a manual, because it doesn't need one. It has a fairly singular purpose and a well-known and understood method of use. But technical gear — cameras, audio, video, computers, and cars — is different. These and many other tools and toys require serious consideration before buying, and serious study before use… IF we are going to get our money's worth from them.

Those of us who write user guides and technical manuals for products and software are usually the first to test the usability and viability of the product. If even the smallest detail doesn't work for us, we explain the issues we find to the product development team AND their directors. Making operation EASY for the customer IS HARD WORK for developers, engineers, and product design staff. It's just as difficult for trainers and training content developers.

One of the unfortunate assumptions companies make about their products is that customers WILL READ the documentation that explains proper use and care. Yet surveys have shown that up to 78% of customers never read it. Many users don't want anything to do with an 830+ page camera manual, or even any sort of a 20 page "Quick Start" guide.

I get all of that, but I also know from hiring many people in a photo lab — and from training school portrait photographers, office staff, and sales people — that understanding and mastering technology requires some quality time, focus, and a certain level of detail orientation. Patience with the documentation and with the entire learning process is usually rewarded with great results and long, trouble-free product life.

There is an old acronym that floated around the Internet BEFORE 1993, when the World Wide Web was born: 'R.T.F.M.' When users got stuck, and posted questions on a bulletin board forum for the tech support staff, the POLITE response was often, "Well, did you read the manual?" Soon enough, that got shortened to the acronym.

"Read The *Fine* Manual!" is the polite version of the acronym. After the tenth or eleventh call from the same user, with the same question, the tech support person would hang up the phone after a call, and yell into a paper bag, substituting whatever 'F' word suited his/her mood.

So here's my simple request to the universe of tech purchasers. Please read the documentation that comes with your purchase, or that you can download from the manufacturer's website at no additional cost. You will learn things you can do with your device that you never thought possible. You will avoid pitfalls that cause 80% of the issues people have with their devices. You will get more done, in less time, with better outcomes! You will trust the maker of the product more, because you understand what they do and don't expect you to do with their devices.

ESPECIALLY if you have used another brand of product in the same class, you need to read the manual just to UNLEARN how your old device of another brand worked. Don't expect brand L to work like brand N. Don't expect brand F to work like brand T. Terminology may be different, control placement may be different, and the way some of the functions work almost certainly will be different.

Don't try to make a Ford drive like a Toyota. It will just annoy you. Don't try to make a Windows PC work like a Mac. It will just frustrate you. They are different brands with different design philosophies and result from different ways of thinking about the same tasks. Take them for what they ARE, not for what they are not.

A little reading won't kill you. Operation may not be obvious, even when you think it should be. There's a reason for everything, and you need to know what it is, if you are going to get along with your new device. Read the freaking manual, and get your money's worth.
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, ... (show quote)


As with all your posts well said!!!!

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Jan 24, 2024 09:44:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cmc4214 wrote:
The english language is not good enough to write a fool-proof manual, even though we technically speak the same language, different people will get different meanings from the same statement.
Many manuals seem to be either over-technical, or are an attempt to be idiot (lawsuit) proof.


Most manuals aren't great, because of budgetary constraints.

Good manual writers:

Illustrate

Number the parts

Cross reference everything

Get a native speaker to translate where necessary

Explain WHY a particular feature is of some benefit, and in what sorts of circumstances it is so

Write in complete sentences

Use terminology consistent with industry norms

One of the most important things I learned about communications, early in my career, is that "communications" means "common thoughts, held in union." As such, both parties are 100% responsible for their parts in the deal. It takes effort to transmit information. It takes effort to receive and process information.

Each of us comes to the table with a set of knowledge that is based on our own experiences and assumptions. If I'm not aware that you don't have a certain basic knowledge base required to understand what I'm saying, it's important for you to let me (or my company) know that, by asking questions, so I can make revisions. But it is also important for you to seek that knowledge elsewhere.

One of the survival instincts of any good student is persistent inquisitiveness. If you want to learn how to do something, you DIG for information about it, tirelessly. You seek everything you can find about it, and learn from that. You apply that knowledge and practice it in a "safe" environment. Then you evaluate how you are doing.

You don't just pick up an automatic camera and become a photographer. You might pick up your iPhone and think you are one, but either way, there is still an ocean of information out there that can help you refine your work.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:46:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
srg wrote:
Usually now, when you buy something at home depot, and you are at work, the "manual" says things like you must wear your safety glasses, don't drink or swallow the product and other inanities. At the end they say you can download the instructions when you get back home to your computer.


Yep. It's sad, but some people will do dangerous things just to keep the lawyers busy.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:48:05   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I was MOST disappointed when I paid $thousands for my R3 to find that there was no manual included in the box! I guess camera companies have learned that people don't read them, so they don't bother? I read them, and I carry them with me in the camera bag. There's too much for my drained brain to remember, and I have to keep referring to it. (Fortunately, a kind soul on the Hog sent me a book that I read again and again!)

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Jan 24, 2024 09:50:33   #
bobups Loc: Bath pa
 
Don’t forget most unread book in the world is the car owners manual

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Jan 24, 2024 09:51:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bobups wrote:
How many people haven’t read the instructions on there new non stick pans where they say do not use cooking sprays


Not all non-stick pans are ruined by cooking sprays. We have a set that work fine with them, and have for years. But most of the brands don't.

A dirty little secret of chefs is that pre-heating a pan for a few minutes on medium, and using a little light olive oil, will prevent most foods from sticking to non-stick pans.

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Jan 24, 2024 09:52:33   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
I long ago learned the truth of Burks’ discussion.
However, there is so much in many of most manuals that it’s impossible to remember everything. My workaround when learning to use a new piece of equipment, is to take a task that is common for me, read about only that task, then go out and practiced with it in innocuous situations until I understand it thoroughly. Then and only then, tackle the next task.
It rarely pays to go out to shoot an important subject without first learning to use ALL the equipment to be used (camera, lens(es), lights, reflectors, time of day, subjects, time of year …..).
When all else fails, read the manual? NO: read it first, and you probably won’t fail.

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