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Jan 24, 2024 00:44:04   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Bill_de wrote:
Put all your user manuals on a tablet. Scroll, search, whatever. I find the 8" ones work really well. Get a simulated leather case and it's just like holding a book.

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Mine are on my laptop and phone, but serve the same purpose. I'm never without them.

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Jan 24, 2024 00:49:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
How true. Over the years I’ve had to train countless young folks surveying and engineering skills. These days of computerized engineering programs, most just want a quick answer to “which box do I enter that into” or “just tell me the number to use.”

I make them suffer because I explain WHY they should use a certain number, size, quantity, etc. If they don’t understand what’s going on they will never catch a mistake caused by the wrong keystroke or decimal point in the wrong place. Many of those mistakes either cost someone big bucks to fix or can imperil the lives of folks living downstream of a large dam.

But yes, attention spans seem to get shorter and shorter as time passes. Once one cocky young buck told me, “I don’t wanna know why, just tell me the number to enter.” Needless to say he ended up working somewhere else.
How true. Over the years I’ve had to train countle... (show quote)


I've seen that a lot. If you don't know the how and the why, the what will eventually castrate you. I've seen it happen (figuratively, of course!).

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Jan 24, 2024 01:24:06   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Our town had a camera shop. That’s where I ran up my tab. Mostly film and chemicals in High School but also included an Exakta SLR and a Crown Graflex. Built myself a darkroom in the basement. Bought film in 100’ rolls. Would develop film in the evening and get up at 5am to print.

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Jan 24, 2024 02:12:51   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Bill your eloquent Rant is a tad on the long side...
And I have a feeling your current knowledge base is somewhat "long in the tooth".

This a polite Wake Up Call so please wake up Bill and smell the Caffeine which is a naturally occurring central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the methylxanthine class and is the most widely taken psychoactive stimulant globally. (sorry for the "Pharmacological" tech) but I'm currently tutoring an RN heading back college to get her NP license in Maryland. Yep, I majored in Chemistry at the U of MD.

Might I suggest you look seriously at the current iteration of TikTok which is likely the best solution for those with a limited attention span (i.e. the masses)...

If you are naive here TikTok is a popular social media app that allows users to create, watch, and share 15-second videos shot on mobile devices and/or webcams. With its personalized feeds of quirky short videos set to music and sound effects, the app is notable for its addictive quality and high levels of engagement.

Oh, it works fabulously Bill... albeit I can't share who some of the most notable and notorious public figure users are since the UHH Admin will remove my post, so just use your imagination here

btw Bill this is a photography site, maybe post images relevant to your Rant? Sound like a Plan?
Here's my visualization of TikTok...

Like TikTok the agile Cheetah is blisteringly fast reaching speeds of 64 miles per hour in under 3 seconds, making them the fastest land animals in the world. And just like TikTok "the game's over" for the prey in under 15 seconds
Like TikTok the agile Cheetah is blisteringly fast...

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Jan 24, 2024 05:07:40   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
The english language is not good enough to write a fool-proof manual, even though we technically speak the same language, different people will get different meanings from the same statement.
Many manuals seem to be either over-technical, or are an attempt to be idiot (lawsuit) proof.

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Jan 24, 2024 05:29:30   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
There is nothing that is foolproof. They’re making more complete fools these days. The best you can do is fool resistant.

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Jan 24, 2024 05:44:54   #
Capn_Dave
 
A couple of points RTFM is a term I haven't used in years as soon as I saw it, it brought back memories.
I really think you are giving today's people too much credit when you mentioned that hammers and screwdrivers don't need instructions. Back in my day, we didn’t have as many “don’t try this at home” warning labels on things, because people weren’t so freaking stupid.

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Jan 24, 2024 07:29:24   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
burkphoto wrote:
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, apparently, a controversial concept. Over the ten years or so I've been on UHH, and the 50 years of my "aware" life before that, I've noticed that a large number of people seem to gloss over the fact that technology is complex. They buy things that they think they want, but they don't do their research in advance, to be sure that THEY and their new devices, are compatible with what they want to do. They yank them out of the box, plug them in, turn them on, and get disappointed.

"Ready? FIRE!! (Uh, Aim, maybe? You just took out the neighbor's flower pot…)"

We're living in an age where our technical tools are not like hammers and screwdrivers, which are easily mastered by third graders. When you buy a hammer or screwdriver, it doesn't come with a manual, because it doesn't need one. It has a fairly singular purpose and a well-known and understood method of use. But technical gear — cameras, audio, video, computers, and cars — is different. These and many other tools and toys require serious consideration before buying, and serious study before use… IF we are going to get our money's worth from them.

Those of us who write user guides and technical manuals for products and software are usually the first to test the usability and viability of the product. If even the smallest detail doesn't work for us, we explain the issues we find to the product development team AND their directors. Making operation EASY for the customer IS HARD WORK for developers, engineers, and product design staff. It's just as difficult for trainers and training content developers.

One of the unfortunate assumptions companies make about their products is that customers WILL READ the documentation that explains proper use and care. Yet surveys have shown that up to 78% of customers never read it. Many users don't want anything to do with an 830+ page camera manual, or even any sort of a 20 page "Quick Start" guide.

I get all of that, but I also know from hiring many people in a photo lab — and from training school portrait photographers, office staff, and sales people — that understanding and mastering technology requires some quality time, focus, and a certain level of detail orientation. Patience with the documentation and with the entire learning process is usually rewarded with great results and long, trouble-free product life.

There is an old acronym that floated around the Internet BEFORE 1993, when the World Wide Web was born: 'R.T.F.M.' When users got stuck, and posted questions on a bulletin board forum for the tech support staff, the POLITE response was often, "Well, did you read the manual?" Soon enough, that got shortened to the acronym.

"Read The *Fine* Manual!" is the polite version of the acronym. After the tenth or eleventh call from the same user, with the same question, the tech support person would hang up the phone after a call, and yell into a paper bag, substituting whatever 'F' word suited his/her mood.

So here's my simple request to the universe of tech purchasers. Please read the documentation that comes with your purchase, or that you can download from the manufacturer's website at no additional cost. You will learn things you can do with your device that you never thought possible. You will avoid pitfalls that cause 80% of the issues people have with their devices. You will get more done, in less time, with better outcomes! You will trust the maker of the product more, because you understand what they do and don't expect you to do with their devices.

ESPECIALLY if you have used another brand of product in the same class, you need to read the manual just to UNLEARN how your old device of another brand worked. Don't expect brand L to work like brand N. Don't expect brand F to work like brand T. Terminology may be different, control placement may be different, and the way some of the functions work almost certainly will be different.

Don't try to make a Ford drive like a Toyota. It will just annoy you. Don't try to make a Windows PC work like a Mac. It will just frustrate you. They are different brands with different design philosophies and result from different ways of thinking about the same tasks. Take them for what they ARE, not for what they are not.

A little reading won't kill you. Operation may not be obvious, even when you think it should be. There's a reason for everything, and you need to know what it is, if you are going to get along with your new device. Read the freaking manual, and get your money's worth.
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, ... (show quote)


Speaking of keeping up with technology, I question your quote, "a little reading won't kill you". As you know, instruction manuals, written by the camera company employees, are NOT the easiest to understand or follow.
That's why I use the latest technology, google, to teach me how to get the best out of my gear. On google I can get 20-50 Utube video's from folks on how to get the best out of my gear. I hardly ever read any instructions on the camera besides the first few pages QUICK GUIDE OR QUICK SET UP. From there I go the Utube for the rest of my instructions.
When I want to put a new cabin filter in my car, I go to Utube.
When I want to install new windows in our cabin, I go to Utube.
For most of my instructions, I go to uTube.

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Jan 24, 2024 07:42:52   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
BBurns wrote:
And I feel better after reading it.


If you read the manual for the R5 it's a REAL accomplishment. LOL .....Dostoyevskiy would be proud.

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Jan 24, 2024 07:48:50   #
HRPufnstuf
 
Amen brother.
I just bought a Gyroscopic screwdriver. Cool as all getout. Turn it on, pull the trigger, it just hums. Twist it slightly right or left, it starts turning that direction. The more you turn your wrist, the faster it turns.
But before ordered it, I spent about 2 hours reading user reviews and comments. I couldn't BELIEVE the number of fools who said it didn't work when they pulled the trigger. Couldn't find the forward-reverse switch, etc.
Hello? Did you miss the first word - gyroscopic - in the product name? Why the hell did you order it then?
Simple to use, although not like any other screwdriver. Short user manual. And yet, they couldn't be bothered to read even the simplest of instructions.
I don't know how they manage to drive cars.
And it's scary to think that they can vote (even though most of them probably don't bother).

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Jan 24, 2024 07:53:02   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
billnikon wrote:
Speaking of keeping up with technology, I question your quote, "a little reading won't kill you". As you know, instruction manuals, written by the camera company employees, are NOT the easiest to understand or follow.
That's why I use the latest technology, google, to teach me how to get the best out of my gear. On google I can get 20-50 Utube video's from folks on how to get the best out of my gear. I hardly ever read any instructions on the camera besides the first few pages QUICK GUIDE OR QUICK SET UP. From there I go the Utube for the rest of my instructions.
When I want to put a new cabin filter in my car, I go to Utube.
When I want to install new windows in our cabin, I go to Utube.
For most of my instructions, I go to uTube.
Speaking of keeping up with technology, I question... (show quote)


I think the manuals do serve a purpose. You can go to Utube and get good instructions on how to use various features. But, you may overlook features that you didn't know existed.

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Jan 24, 2024 07:55:57   #
BebuLamar
 
Bill_de wrote:
I think the manuals do serve a purpose. You can go to Utube and get good instructions on how to use various features. But, you may overlook features that you didn't know existed.

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Besides who know a product better than the people who made it?

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Jan 24, 2024 08:03:54   #
limey
 
It sure would be nice if the manuals were intelligible. Then perhaps people would read them.

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Jan 24, 2024 08:14:15   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I always saved the manuals (the English version, anyway) when I bought a new camera. Being a 'real man' I never read them until I had a problem. One problem with that approach is that the manual got stuck in a drawer with extra cards, lenses, filters, dessicants, etc. and I was out and about.

I finally found Manual Viewer 2, which goes on my iPhone. I just download the manuals I want and they're in my pocket all the time. I would expect there's an Android version. I found it about 3 years ago, so before that I was just out of luck.

The only problem with manuals is finding the description of the feature you're looking for. You have to know what they call it. The online manual is a bit better that way because you can enter keywords and the virtual manual will give you a list of where they are and you can just click to go there. No shuffling through 800 pages. If you don't have exactly the right name for what you want, you might have to do it several times, but it's still much easier than the paper manual.
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Is this the Manual Viewer 2 you are referring to?
"On August 21, 2020, Nikon will discontinue support for its Manual Viewer 2 app, which allowed users of Nikon digital SLR and mirrorless cameras to download and view user's manuals for their camera(s) onto their mobile device."

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Jan 24, 2024 08:46:31   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Howard5252 wrote:
Is this the Manual Viewer 2 you are referring to?
"On August 21, 2020, Nikon will discontinue support for its Manual Viewer 2 app, which allowed users of Nikon digital SLR and mirrorless cameras to download and view user's manuals for their camera(s) onto their mobile device."


I thought you could still download them individually, but without the handy viewer that kept them all together.'

Not sure.

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