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Jan 15, 2024 19:39:15   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
In which case, mounting them on card stock and photographing them with a macro lens using a high CRI video light panel* works great. 25 years ago, when we did optical printing in the lab, all cut negatives were mounted on peg-registered cards with apertures in them that corresponded to various sizes of negatives and the printer lens decks needed to print them. While they are no longer made, you can design your own, print outlines of the format size on them with a laser or inkjet, then cut out the center of each format with a single-edge razor or X-Acto knife. We used a mylar tape to attach the negative to the side of the card facing the light source, and the emulsion side of the film facing the lens.

*Light source must be diffused with milk Plexiglass or Perspex.

Those with Epson V-800 and V850 scanners can get holders for film up to 4x5, sold on the Internet (Amazon).
In which case, mounting them on card stock and pho... (show quote)


Just scanning them is a million times easier.
Scan the neg directly to the computer folder.
When done scanning several or whatever open the folder and crop as needed and if desired do a little PS as would be done regardless and wow, done.
So much quicker and easier.
Ps the scanner allows you to crop to just the area you want to and crop 3-4 or whatever number of negs on the bed into separate images and wa la again easily done in no time flat and no cutting or fooling around.

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Jan 15, 2024 19:52:13   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
robertjerl wrote:
You have so many, you might decide to ignore the expense and send them off to a company that does that. I have done a lot in the past and still have a lot to do, I even have a 35mm filmstrip and slide scanner as well as an Epson 600 and have been telling myself "I'll finish the others soon." for several years now.



Since you will be finished soon, can I send you mine?


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Jan 15, 2024 20:02:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Just scanning them is a million times easier.
Scan the neg directly to the computer folder.
When done scanning several or whatever open the folder and crop as needed and if desired do a little PS as would be done regardless and wow, done.
So much quicker and easier.
Ps the scanner allows you to crop to just the area you want to and crop 3-4 or whatever number of negs on the bed into separate images and wa la again easily done in no time flat and no cutting or fooling around.


I find the exact opposite to be true. I can scan a whole uncut 36 exposure roll in five minutes with the camera setup. If the film is in strips of six frames, add a few minutes.

With Negative Lab Pro 3.x, a plug-in for Lightroom Classic, I can have all the negatives' initial conversions done in another 10-15 minutes or so. Then they are ready for cull editing and fine tuning (cropping and spotting, masking, etc.) in LrC. I've done thousands of them this way.

I cut my teeth copying film to film in the 1980s for slide shows. Then I ran a high volume digital scan lab in the early 2000s, scanning several million portraits each Fall on nine long roll Kodak Bremson HR500 scanners (on three shifts, with three operators per shift, each running three scanners). So I'm very sensitive to anything that slows me down. The V600 was slow as molasses. It was fine for 120/220, but camera scanning is still faster.

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Jan 15, 2024 20:39:56   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
I find the exact opposite to be true. I can scan a whole uncut 36 exposure roll in five minutes with the camera setup. If the film is in strips of six frames, add a few minutes.

With Negative Lab Pro 3.x, a plug-in for Lightroom Classic, I can have all the negatives' initial conversions done in another 10-15 minutes or so. Then they are ready for cull editing and fine tuning (cropping and spotting, masking, etc.) in LrC. I've done thousands of them this way.

I cut my teeth copying film to film in the 1980s for slide shows. Then I ran a high volume digital scan lab in the early 2000s, scanning several million portraits each Fall on nine long roll Kodak Bremson HR500 scanners (on three shifts, with three operators per shift, each running three scanners). So I'm very sensitive to anything that slows me down. The V600 was slow as molasses. It was fine for 120/220, but camera scanning is still faster.
I find the exact opposite to be true. I can scan a... (show quote)


Who cares about 35mm.
These are most likely not 35mm.
I am talking ease and I do have experience doing what I am talking about.
Quick easy no silly setups, it can be done inclined on the bed with cats and a laptop.
When done just turn off scanner on bedside table and fold up laptop.
Whew, writing took longer than doing such simple and quick stuff.


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Jan 15, 2024 21:24:02   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
burkphoto wrote:
If you have 120-size negatives (6x6 cm, 6x4.5cm, 6x7cm, 6x9cm, etc.), then the V-600 does a really nice job with them. Use the negative holders that came with the scanner. If you have 35mm negatives, the scanner may disappoint you.

I suggest you give my white paper a reading. I use my digital camera, a macro lens, a copy stand, a film holder, a video LED light panel, and some special software to do a professional-level camera scan. It's all detailed here:

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I have even seen an adjustable negative holder for some of the older "odd size" negatives. That was long ago and I don't remember the brand.
I once made a holder from heavy cardboard with an Xacto knife for one negative someone wanted scanned. I just didn't have or need that holder so I made a one time and trash it holder.

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Jan 16, 2024 11:10:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
I have even seen an adjustable negative holder for some of the older "odd size" negatives. That was long ago and I don't remember the brand.
I once made a holder from heavy cardboard with an Xacto knife for one negative someone wanted scanned. I just didn't have or need that holder so I made a one time and trash it holder.


One of the challenges with scanners is focus. The scanner lens is normally focused on the top surface of the glass bed, for sharp images of prints. But if you put slides in mounts in a slide holder, or negatives in a film holder of some sort, that raises them above the glass. Some scanners compensate for this, and some don't. A few, like the Epson V850, have two lenses, one for larger media placed on the glass, and one for smaller media in holders.

If you put a piece of film directly onto the scanner glass bed, experiment with whether it should be emulsion UP, or emulsion DOWN, for the sharpest focus. Do the same with slides and negatives in film holders. You can always flip the image in software, if needed to make it "right-reading."

Unfortunately, placing a negative on scanner glass "base side down, emulsion up" may lead to the appearance of Newton's rings. There is little that can be done to minimize that, short of using a film holder.

There are a few "height adjustable" film holders available on Amazon and from other dealers. These enable you to adjust the height of the holder ever so slightly, in an effort to achieve better focus.

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Jan 16, 2024 11:36:05   #
74images Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
Have you looked at the High Speed Negative Scanners, that are Listed at B&H & Amazon?

They Scan Negatives Real Fast, but the Downside, they don't do Slides.

74images

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Jan 16, 2024 11:39:31   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
robertjerl wrote:
You have so many, you might decide to ignore the expense and send them off to a company that does that. I have done a lot in the past and still have a lot to do, I even have a 35mm filmstrip and slide scanner as well as an Epson 600 and have been telling myself "I'll finish the others soon." for several years now.

The negatives will be more work, scan then convert etc. But the images will be sharper, and you will get the entire image, whereas most print shops cropped negatives to fit standard size paper.

And get some of the disposable light cotton gloves or disposable nitrile surgical gloves (not latex or rubber)* to handle prints and negatives. You want Great Aunt Bess, not your thumbprint. They also have negative and print cleaning kits to get off old fingerprints, dust etc.
Best practice is don't touch anything but your prints, negatives, clean scanner (clean it often) etc. Everytime you touch something else (even your own skin=oils) ditch the gloves and put on a fresh pair.

*Available at some camera/photo stores and on Amazon.
You have so many, you might decide to ignore the e... (show quote)


Sorry for the delay. Yesterday was not a good day.

I usually find that I am not happy with other people's work on such item. That's why I bought my own scanner. After a friend scanned a photo for me on his Epson, I went home and ordered one. I have been thinking about getting a film strip scanner, but that will be down the road. Right now, all the family photos are just photos back to my Great Great Great Grandmother, including my, believe it or not, Great Aunt Bess.

I make great effort to keep the glass and lid clean. So far I have been using Zeiss Lens Wipes, tweezers, and paper or plastic lifts for getting under the edge of the photos. I may get a box of the white gloves.

Most of my photos and negatives of the last 50 years are not family related, so they can wait.

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Jan 16, 2024 12:08:38   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I am currently doing the same thing with the Epson V750. I have found that the negatives produce much better scans. All of the negatives from the early 1900s and earlier are odd sizes and I use the supplied glass platten to hold them. Most are large enough so only 2 fit at a time and others 4-6 at a time.
They scan directly as positive images directly to the computer in the proper folder and then exposures adjusted in PSE.
I would only scan prints as a last resort.
Once in PSE rotate and crop as needed then use the crop tool to add a white space below the image and write who, what, where and when along with brief comments if detail clarifying the photo.
Then save it.
This is best for me as when shared with anyone of any technical ability can immediately see the who, what, where and when etc. Just by reading beneath the photo.
My family love it and if there is an error of any kind can immediately notify me and I make the change in PSE immediately and resubmit.
Any other questions let me know.
I am currently doing the same thing with the Epso... (show quote)


Sorry for the delay, bad day yesterday.

My V600 came with a plastic holder for 35mm film strips and some other sizes. The only glass is the flat bed of the scanner. The one or two negatives I have come across, floating loosely in a box, I simply placed on the glass bed, then converted to a positive image.

As I scan a group of photos, they all go into a "scan" file then later move them into specific "family" files where they also get renamed and notations made. I scan only the photo itself and not the boarder because I have found that including the boarder in the scan can alter the image. In PP I create a new border, making the bottom larger so that I can make notations as to who, where, when, etc.

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Jan 16, 2024 12:44:21   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Find attached the scanned negative straight from the scanner to my computer.
Note I scanned an area larger than the negative because of the odd size I will now crop/straighten if needed. Adjust light/dark contrast and clarity as I perceive as needed and even flip as I will this one.
You can decide on your negs to best suit you, I will not pretend to say what you like or should do to adjust.


My first attempt to scan photos was on a combo printer, copier, scanner. When I had trouble getting any kind of image from a small oval tin type, I went to a fellow club member for help. Watching his Epson flatbed in action I decided to order one of my own, getting one that offered the Professional Mode of scanning as did his. I make the effort to get the photo square on the scanner so I can eliminate as much border as possible. I found it amazing how much affect the board can have on a scanned image. I then recreate a new border in PP. I have even gone back and rescanned smaller sections of a photo to bring out detail that was otherwise lost in darkness. It's kind of like using spot metering when using your camera.

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Jan 16, 2024 12:49:31   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
bsprague wrote:
There is a company that makes special glass inserts to hold curled film flat.

http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/models/v500.html


I took a quick look at the website, found a home page, and saved it to my photography favorites. Thanks

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Jan 16, 2024 13:58:37   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
boy am I going to be the outlier. I have a v600 and it is good for prints at 600 dpi but the resolution numbers it quotes for negatives and slides aren’t accurate. I believe the reason is they are interleaving but I am not sure but I do know talking to a professional scanning company I trust that is so. Also your negatives and slides should be at 4000 dpi minimally. I spent years scanning everything with the flatbed scanner using silver light. There were at least 2 things I learned - cull cull cull oh those are 3 things. I scanned everything and the flatbed scanners are not fast especially you using some of the advanced features like dust removal (don’t it makes your images soft). So I am in a current project where I am culling thousands of negatives and slides. When I am done I will either decide to have the scanning company do the scans or do it myself using a copy stand, mirrorless camera, macro lens and light source. So much faster, just make sure they are clean as possible. Good luck

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Jan 16, 2024 14:10:22   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Consider the ideas and process here for a V600: Scanning your old film negatives


Thanx!
That's a lot to digest in one setting. Thank goodness this will be easy to find so that I can refer back to it.

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Jan 16, 2024 14:17:15   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
JeffDavidson wrote:
A proper scanning of the negative should give a better result than from a print which will include the texture of the paper.


I had not considered the texture of the paper. I assume that glossy prints would be better than any other surface. And considering that a lot of them were taken at car shows, I probably elected for glossy if I was given a choice. But everyone so far has indicated that scanning negatives will be better for more than one reason.

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Jan 16, 2024 14:21:04   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Steved3604 wrote:
Consider using VueScan scanning software with the Epson. Some of the best software around for scanning negs -- use it with my Epson, Canon and Nikon scanners. Works great for large jobs. My opinion -- scan the negatives if you have a choice of negs or prints of the same picture and do final adjustments in Photo Shop.


I will look into VueScan. Thanx

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