Canisdirus

I don't need to defend evolution.

All I need to do is say...Genesis is a fable story. That much can be proven scientifically.

Zero chance mankind started out that way.

Whatever level of education you have determines your ability to grasp evolution...a variable.

But there is simply nothing to replace it with...that is remotely true...certainly not with Theism.

Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC

As in "Better to have forgiveness and not need it, than to need it and not have it." Having been raised among believers and especially very dedicated religious workers, I still considered the possibility that Christianity and other religions were refined social and psychological constructs designed to improve their respective societies, make money, get famous, or some combination of these. I made reasonable inquiries about the fallibility of different major religions, as time permitted, similar to what the agnostics Dr. and Mrs. Olsen did: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/456475.Daktar

After eventually coming by faith to Christianity and then having taken courses in the life sciences, Darwinian evolution made perfect sense to me. Even as a Christian, Moses' account of Creation seems to roughly reflect cosmology and evolution, from photons being considered as the very first elementary particle by some, if even for a billion billionth of a second, to eventually describing in big steps the evolution of species. This evolutionary explanation of life, however, lost credibility very early during my study of biochemistry. I was not aware of the term Irreducible Complexity at the time, but the concept jumped off the the pages of every text from Biochem 101 to graduate courses in molecular genetics. With all due respect the great Charles Darwin, he did not have the benefit of knowing biology's Central Dogma or anything about DNA. He saw only whole organisms and their outward similarities and differences and rather brilliantly theorized how they came to be. I still remain open minded and eagerly await an evolutionary model that solves the basic problem of the simultaneous evolution of dozens of complex systems and biochemical pathways where each system's development is mutually exclusive to the development of the others. You have to understand the principle of random mutation and natural selection, and then accept that hundreds of such cycles must to occur sequentially long before any product thereof could provide a selective advantage to a member of a species. In other words, a long series of phenotypically silent mutations must be individually selected for in order to provide any environmentally selective advantage. Along the way, the dozens of other yet-to-function evolving systems would have been trashed within the first few of the necessary thousands of mutations needed to create even the simplest enzymatic pathway or necessary structure, hundreds of which are required for even the most simple prokaryote. I am sure the evolutionists will come to some explanation, but Dawkins and others don't come close in their desperate attempts to avoid the possibility that man is accountable to anything or anyone. And yet, all the science in the world that supports creation will not convince them, "...even if one is raised from the dead." as Abraham told the rich man. It does come down to faith, though science can certainly help those who objectively inquire.

riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

Common view point bro. But, after working in a hospital and retiring after close to 30 years of service, I know of countless bedside and death bed conversions to Christ from atheism. agnostic, doubtful, unbelief, unsure, etc. etc. It goes on and on. Easy to postulate these views but when your ass on the line, meaning your life, either closing in on death or a possibility or chance depending on the situation, people start have second thoughts and rethink their beliefs and views. The pastoral staff, having a representing person for most beliefs, can recite countless instances of this.

PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA

If you have ever seen the movie "Oh God, Book Two" God, George Burns, explained it very well. There is no up wiithout down, no right without left, no front without back and no good without evil. There have to be opposites to maintain balance.

I am not quoting from the movie, but paraphrasing to give the general interpretation.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Science has already pretty much confirmed scientific data with the 6 days of creation... Just written in words of the times... Sheep herders would NOT understand millions or billions.

sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD

Give me intelligent proof of why the faithful things we believe in are wrong

Vaun's photography Loc: Bonney Lake, WA

Instead of throwing this into the Attic, why not create a new subsection called Religion?

There are other subsections which others subscribe to which is fine for them, but I personally don't believe that they are worth the space they take up, so I don't subscribe to them.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

If you cannot name a scientific fact supporting evolution, I suggest university level coursework in physical anthropology.

Canisdirus

In your life...you seek the truth of any issues you encounter. Pretty much anyone who doesn't...is not trusted.

However...the entire foundation of your life...gets a pass...the litmus test is removed...by you.

That's where we differ...my threshold gets more demanding on issues of greater importance...not less.

As for proof...I just told you one.

Genesis is a fable story...that much is known. DNA clearly makes that story wildly incorrect.
The foundation...is completely cracked.

You insist it's still a good building site...I disagree.

It's an educational issue...and exactly why everyone in the past...gets a pass on that.
They couldn't know...and boy does that show through.

But you do...you do know it's not true...you live in an age where we have more than enough good science to show Genesis to be made up by a pre science culture.

You can ignore that truth(?)...I cannot. I don't lower the bar.

Vaun's photography Loc: Bonney Lake, WA

Science and religion are also not mutually exclusive. Science can in fact support creationism more completely than many suppose.

Evolution remains a theory that lacks proof. Those who accept evolution really are acting on faith, just as truly as those who believe in God.

riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas

But yet here you are. Good idea about a new subsection since this is a obviously turned into a very debatable topic.
I do hope THIS DOES NOT GO TO THE ATTIC and it should not because this is a very thought stimulating subject. Me, I have reached the point where I rarely post or comment and spend the time I used to on this UHH site but stimulating discussions bring me in.
Politics and religion are the two most heart felt belief systems so many people use to define themselves with.
Me, I am so very open to hearing others view points and understanding how they got there as I reflect on my journey.

Since this is the general Chit Chat area it is wide open for any kind of discussions.
Let's keep it real Bruce in Texas.

Addition, I have been greatly helped and learned so much Photographically and that is why I am still here. So, this sideline area is interesting and I appreciate the option of open chit chat non camera discussions. Yea, there ya go and Merry Christmas to ya'll.

gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

Oh please, spare us all.

gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast

Infinity just means that we don’t know. Theoretical physicists will tell you that. "Confirmation" that there are other universes is nonsense, just more speculation without evidence. Cosmologists and theoretical physicists have lots of ideas for which they admit they have no proof. My intuition tells me that the universe is, always has been, and always will be. Why all that is has yet to be determined.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Ok.. go with your intuition... no prob. WAY too much speculation BUT as my grandson at the University says, science is moving into areas that folks here don't care to talk about. No Prob. Luckily, we still have freedom of reasonable speech and opinion in the good old USA... Current SPECULATION is that a Big Bang is just the other end of a black hole after reaching an unfathomable density... Who knows.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

If eternal punishment is not biblical and not true (which it may not be), exactly what is the purpose of salvation? Salvation from what? At this point, I am neutral on this issue because I do have issues with eternal punishment. But just because I don’t like it doesn’t make it right to reject it. The phrase “How can a loving God send somebody to eternal punishment?” is something I know that Satan would try to convince us all of. I am open to both views.