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Jul 3, 2023 17:28:09   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Architect1776 wrote:
So true.
Society has changed not firearms.
The value for life now is near zero among many, mostly all on the left. They have inculcated for decades that killing babies is a badge of honor and kids growing up seeing this believe because of this life has no value.


Thanks for the corroboration. You are correct in that firearms have not changed. Society has changed and with it the value of life has diminished severely. Those who take lives have also been raised up a notch or three in society rather than dropped down a few pegs as they should.

Every bit of this is all about the Left doing what it can to make America a Socialist Democratic State. While the number of mass shootings/murders goes up it is the Democrats who are insisting in letting convicts out of prison early, the Democrats who insist no perpetrators not posting bail as they should OR stay in jail where they belong. It is the Democrats AND NO OTHER who are now looking at making sentences lighter for violent crimes in Washington, DC.

What the hell are they thinking? Crime statistics of all types are going up, violent crime numbers especially are going up yet the Left wants to give criminals a break while making life harder for victims. I can only think, WTF????
I have spent over 30 years in law enforcement and corrections, always in maximum security prisons. The crimes these individuals have committed would stand one's hair on end and be the source of nightmares to many just thinking of those crimes forced on innocent victims. Yet it is the Left who cries for the criminals and not the victims as they should.

The Left wants more stringent gun controls but recently allowed Hunter Biden to get away with a crime of buying a firearm by a drug abuser. Here was a good example, a teaching moment, where the President's son would be held responsible for his crimes relating to purchasing a firearm illegally. So what happens? NOTHING at all. It is nothing but an example for others who do the very same thing; Hunter Biden got away with it and attorneys for the future will argue so should their client. Judges will say, OK, done deal. NO CHARGES. When will the Left hold criminals responsible for the crimes they commit? EVER?????

Dennis

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Jul 3, 2023 17:55:25   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Thanks for the corroboration. You are correct in that firearms have not changed. Society has changed and with it the value of life has diminished severely. Those who take lives have also been raised up a notch or three in society rather than dropped down a few pegs as they should.

Every bit of this is all about the Left doing what it can to make America a Socialist Democratic State. While the number of mass shootings/murders goes up it is the Democrats who are insisting in letting convicts out of prison early, the Democrats who insist no perpetrators not posting bail as they should OR stay in jail where they belong. It is the Democrats AND NO OTHER who are now looking at making sentences lighter for violent crimes in Washington, DC.

What the hell are they thinking? Crime statistics of all types are going up, violent crime numbers especially are going up yet the Left wants to give criminals a break while making life harder for victims. I can only think, WTF????
I have spent over 30 years in law enforcement and corrections, always in maximum security prisons. The crimes these individuals have committed would stand one's hair on end and be the source of nightmares to many just thinking of those crimes forced on innocent victims. Yet it is the Left who cries for the criminals and not the victims as they should.

The Left wants more stringent gun controls but recently allowed Hunter Biden to get away with a crime of buying a firearm by a drug abuser. Here was a good example, a teaching moment, where the President's son would be held responsible for his crimes relating to purchasing a firearm illegally. So what happens? NOTHING at all. It is nothing but an example for others who do the very same thing; Hunter Biden got away with it and attorneys for the future will argue so should their client. Judges will say, OK, done deal. NO CHARGES. When will the Left hold criminals responsible for the crimes they commit? EVER?????

Dennis
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Their goal is to get firearms crimes as out of control as possible until they get a large enough number of people demanding to have the government step in and be the hero and take full control of our lives and remove freedoms in the name of nanny state security.

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Jul 3, 2023 19:09:41   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Their goal is to get firearms crimes as out of control as possible until they get a large enough number of people demanding to have the government step in and be the hero and take full control of our lives and remove freedoms in the name of nanny state security.


Exactly right. I truly believe the Left does not care so much about mass murders. If they did they would do something about the murder of Blacks by Blacks in Democratic run cities. So called mass murders are nothing to the hundred and thousands per year of Black on Black murders. Yet the Left does not even mention those murders. Most likely that is the best example of how the Left REALLY feels about the Black race. Just let them kill one another off, no loss to society. Obama, from Chicago never went there to lead an anti violence parade nor has any other Democrat. Not in other Democrat run cities either. Amazing they just do not give a shit because it does not push their agenda of getting rid of the 2nd Amendment, of taking firearms from honest citizens who are not a problem. Criminals are the problem and yet the Left does all it can to get inmates out of the justice system. Wasn't it Obama who released 1000 drug dealers from the federal prison system? Drugs are the evil of our society, the binder that makes people rob, commit murder, commit home invasions to get money to buy more drugs. And yet Obama released 1000 of these drug dealers. Amazing.

Dennis

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Jul 3, 2023 19:34:20   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Exactly right. I truly believe the Left does not care so much about mass murders. If they did they would do something about the murder of Blacks by Blacks in Democratic run cities. So called mass murders are nothing to the hundred and thousands per year of Black on Black murders. Yet the Left does not even mention those murders. Most likely that is the best example of how the Left REALLY feels about the Black race. Just let them kill one another off, no loss to society. Obama, from Chicago never went there to lead an anti violence parade nor has any other Democrat. Not in other Democrat run cities either. Amazing they just do not give a shit because it does not push their agenda of getting rid of the 2nd Amendment, of taking firearms from honest citizens who are not a problem. Criminals are the problem and yet the Left does all it can to get inmates out of the justice system. Wasn't it Obama who released 1000 drug dealers from the federal prison system? Drugs are the evil of our society, the binder that makes people rob, commit murder, commit home invasions to get money to buy more drugs. And yet Obama released 1000 of these drug dealers. Amazing.

Dennis
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Jul 3, 2023 23:08:14   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Two more mass shooting today one at a Baltimore block Party with 2 dead and 30 injured. The other at a Kansas night club with 9 hurt. Our gun laws did nothing to stop either of the violence. Yet, some still clammer for more laws being needed. When will these people come to the realization: laws (new or old) won’t stop evil doers. So, I suggest, let’s do away with ALL the laws currently on the books and re-write new laws to a more manageable six or so new ones which will cover all or at least most gun crimes. These new laws will cover but not stop evil any more than the 20,000 laws we now have.

Proposed new laws:

1) It is illegal to injure or kill someone with a firearm unless in self-defense. Brandishing a firearm at anyone is illegal unless you fear your life in eminent danger.

2) Anyone who has been deemed mentally ill may not possess or own a firearm until being given a clean bill of health by no less than 3 or more doctors.

3) Convicted felons may never own or possess a firearm unless cleared by a court.

4) Mandatory sentences if convicted of a crime committed with a firearm up to including life and or the death penalty.

5) In order to buy a firearm a mandatory background check is necessary. Severe penalties if the applicant intentionally lies on the application.

6) Minimum age to purchase or own a firearm is 18.

From a Google search. How many gun laws are there in the United States. Is 20,000 at least in the ballpark?
Yes. No one really knows for sure what the exact number is. But the 20,000 figure has been quoted by reliable sources for at least a decade. And many more have been passed in that time.

The proposed new laws cover (most) violence with a gun but will not stop gun violence any better than the 20,000 laws we now have on the books do. They will however make knowing gun laws easier to understand for the people who won’t abide by them anyway. Also, maybe it will make those who think we need more laws understand the fact that more laws haven’t, won’t and never will solve the problem.

Let’s stop thinking ignorant thoughts that more laws will solve the problem. We probably will never totally solve the problem of gun violence so let’s start thinking defense. Begin by doing things that will limit the opportunities evil doers have. Not by more laws and talk, but by deeds we can accomplish that may actually help.
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You forgot to add something to #5. "unless you are part of the Biden crime family".

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Jul 3, 2023 23:11:29   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
wilpharm wrote:
but you can serve in military at 18...???????



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Jul 4, 2023 09:34:30   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
There will never be a solution to the problem too many people own guns and they are too easy to obtain so this post is a waste of time. The slaughter of the population will carry on forever, lets face it the US people are world champions at killing their own people and the NRA want to keep it that way.

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Jul 4, 2023 09:45:21   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Firearms are NOT the problem.
I know a large number of people across various ethnic and economic persuasions who all own firearms and not one of those firearms jumped up nd killed anyone.
The new societal norms are 100% the problem.
We have thousands of murders with bats, knives, stones, autos, fists, feet, alcohol and numerous other methods that generally do not make the news because of politics.

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Jul 4, 2023 09:54:21   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
Too bad the ignorant can't fathom this.

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Jul 4, 2023 12:44:50   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
Bob Smith wrote:
There will never be a solution to the problem too many people own guns and they are too easy to obtain so this post is a waste of time. The slaughter of the population will carry on forever, lets face it the US people are world champions at killing their own people and the NRA want to keep it that way.


Bob: talk to some NRA members and really look into the organization, look at its programs and because you have a computer look at its internet site. Your idea about the NRA as expressed in this blog is very wrong.

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Jul 4, 2023 13:35:24   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
Enact a Federal Law -- Ban the sale of all semi-automatic rifles --
Federal program to buy back as many of the millions of those weapons that are already out there
Hope for eventual improvement

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Jul 4, 2023 13:43:56   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
ken_stern wrote:
Enact a Federal Law -- Ban the sale of all semi-automatic rifles --
Federal program to buy back as many of the millions of those weapons that are already out there
Hope for eventual improvement


Really stupid.
Semi autos have been around for over 100 years but only recently has there been an issue.
Sounds like there is something wrong with your theory.

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Jul 4, 2023 13:50:29   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
It's a dam good 1st start to a situation that is currently totally out of control
Outside of war zones, the US leads the world in Gun deaths

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Jul 4, 2023 13:59:53   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
ken_stern wrote:
It's a dam good 1st start to a situation that is currently totally out of control
Outside of war zones, the US leads the world in Gun deaths


Not quiet Ken. After you throw out suicides that many approve of the US is not even in the top 40 in gun deaths.
If you want to include suicide then also include the one called compassionate assistance to ending life. The State of Oregon has increased acceptable cause to include almost every thing. If you include as an acceptable cause the fact that life has become to burdensome then what difference does it make if I use a gun or a doctor?

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Jul 4, 2023 14:13:46   #
Huey Driver Loc: Texas
 
ken_stern wrote:
Enact a Federal Law -- Ban the sale of all semi-automatic rifles --
Federal program to buy back as many of the millions of those weapons that are already out there
Hope for eventual improvement


Do you seriously believe ALL who own a semi- auto will sell them back? Thugs, drug dealers, etc. even if it's the law? Bad people would obey that law about as much as they obey the gun laws we now have.

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