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Jun 28, 2023 10:03:53   #
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Rongnongno wrote:
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our lives by not having enough experience or good sense to change the perspective when confronted with something...

What the heck this has to do with photography and smartphone?

Simple: I am tired of seeing folks using their phone vertically regardless of subject. I know the camera lenses are on top but come on, open the field, use horizontal for god's sake, you will see your (err...) subjects better.

Ease of use, availability, does not justify sloppiness. A small twist of a wrist and that's it! There! A brand new worldwide is in front of your... camera.

Anyway, another rant...
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our l... (show quote)

Ok, so you care, and so it bothers you. But its always been this way. It wasnt always the vertical vs horizontal thing, but other mindless ways of framing pix.

A common version was placing the RF spot (Himatic, Canonette etc) over a face before focus and NOT reframing before making the shot. "Advanced" users, were equally faulty with centrally located focus aids in their AE-1s etc.

The worst version of the above as when the split image RF spot was added to the SX70. The spot was distinctly *below* center, making the problem even worse.

Again, the phone thing is nothing new :-(

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Jun 28, 2023 10:12:09   #
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fourlocks wrote:
Me, too; mine, too. She loves to take pictures of her flowers and I'm constantly asking her, "Now, what's in the background? Do you want the background softened? How many flowers do you want in the picture? etc., etc."

Grounds for divorce.

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Jun 28, 2023 10:16:22   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
No one cares...the vast majority simply doesn't care.


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Jun 28, 2023 10:38:54   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
larryepage wrote:
On the other hand, I find that users of "real" cameras are, in general, too attached to landscape-oriented photographs. They are almost equally resistant to using portrait orientation or (horror of horrors) square format.


Interesting observation.
I always do landscape or portrait depending on the subject and at times look at both and at times take both ways.
I thought most regular camera users always did this procedure.

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Jun 28, 2023 11:11:14   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Interesting observation.
I always do landscape or portrait depending on the subject and at times look at both and at times take both ways.
I thought most regular camera users always did this procedure.


I used to see people do that. Not so much anymore. And I don't see very many finished images in portrait orientation. Even when there is very obvious vertical content.

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Jun 28, 2023 12:46:13   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
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Grounds for divorce.


Hmmmmm…. Good point; I’ll lay off the advice!

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Jun 28, 2023 13:34:16   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our lives by not having enough experience or good sense to change the perspective when confronted with something...

What the heck this has to do with photography and smartphone?

Simple: I am tired of seeing folks using their phone vertically regardless of subject. I know the camera lenses are on top but come on, open the field, use horizontal for god's sake, you will see your (err...) subjects better.

Ease of use, availability, does not justify sloppiness. A small twist of a wrist and that's it! There! A brand new worldwide is in front of your... camera.

Anyway, another rant...
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our l... (show quote)


Before the smartphone there was the point and shot camera which most people used to take photographs. The P&S cameras were made to be held horizontally. Seldom did you see anyone holding their camera in a vertical position. Same problem, different time. P&S cameras were made to do one thing, take photographs. Smartphones are made to do many different things, most of which are done holding the phone in a vertical position. People are creatures of habit.

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Jun 28, 2023 16:11:29   #
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larryepage wrote:
I used to see people do that. Not so much anymore. And I don't see very many finished images in portrait orientation. Even when there is very obvious vertical content.

Ive always prefered horizontal for ALL personal work. On the job everything is acoarst dictated by usage, by the AD, etc.

Our environment is horizontal, even if you are a pilot or work high steel, whatever, the context is either along the ground plane or rising from the ground plane, but the ground plane is foundational and I frame everything according to that.

If theres really no way to present some tall narrow subject in the context of a horizontal environment then, for me, theres nothing to work with, no photo.

I will go with square if that works, even a "tall-ish" square (only slightly taller than the width). But I never liked the look of a vertically shaped subject excised from its environs just to fit into a frame. For me its simply not worth framing.

Attached are mostly phone pix, and yes phones really are a humongous PITA to operate horizontally :-(

Dead Tree
Dead Tree...
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Glass Doors
Glass Doors...
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Mario in White
Mario in White...
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Keyhole Frame
Keyhole Frame...
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Jun 28, 2023 22:37:50   #
Math78 Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
I started taking cellphone photos (and especially videos) in vertical orientation because most people who view my photos will be holding their phones vertically. A hortizonal photo on a vertical screen doesn't look very good and most viewers are not going to rotate their phones. I will sometimes crop to square if there is too much wasted space at the top and bottom. If the cellphone photos are going to be added to larger project, then I'll take mostly hortizonal to match the real camera photos.

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Jun 29, 2023 06:03:01   #
BebuLamar
 
larryepage wrote:
On the other hand, I find that users of "real" cameras are, in general, too attached to landscape-oriented photographs. They are almost equally resistant to using portrait orientation or (horror of horrors) square format.


Because normal cameras are designed to be easier to hold in the landscape orientation and the phones are easier to hold in portrait orientation.

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Jun 29, 2023 07:06:30   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
With more pixels than I have any need for I seldom shoot vertical. A quick crop is all it takes to 'rotate' the image. When I can't decide I crop to square.

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Jun 29, 2023 07:47:20   #
SunBeach1962 Loc: Syrscuse, NY
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our lives by not having enough experience or good sense to change the perspective when confronted with something...

What the heck this has to do with photography and smartphone?

Simple: I am tired of seeing folks using their phone vertically regardless of subject. I know the camera lenses are on top but come on, open the field, use horizontal for god's sake, you will see your (err...) subjects better.

Ease of use, availability, does not justify sloppiness. A small twist of a wrist and that's it! There! A brand new worldwide is in front of your... camera.

Anyway, another rant...
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our l... (show quote)



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Jun 29, 2023 08:06:13   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Oooook.

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Jun 29, 2023 08:29:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our lives by not having enough experience or good sense to change the perspective when confronted with something...

What the heck this has to do with photography and smartphone?

Simple: I am tired of seeing folks using their phone vertically regardless of subject. I know the camera lenses are on top but come on, open the field, use horizontal for god's sake, you will see your (err...) subjects better.

Ease of use, availability, does not justify sloppiness. A small twist of a wrist and that's it! There! A brand new worldwide is in front of your... camera.

Anyway, another rant...
Well, narrow vision is a thing we suffer all our l... (show quote)


The dumbest idea ever is vertical video. Yet editing software and some pretty advanced mirrorless cameras are now being sold to accommodate the concept.

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Jun 29, 2023 08:30:41   #
WarpedWeaver
 
It is all in how people see things. I work in a children's museum and science center. Yesterday I watched a family group of about 8 people standing in front of one of our animatronic dinosaurs and the girl taking the photo repeatedly telling them to "get closer". I walked over and offered to take a couple of shots, did it horizontally, got everyone in, all were happy. The girl actually said "why didn't I think of that?"

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