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Jun 20, 2023 15:40:19   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
Here is an example of Generative Fill. Perhaps not perfect. But actually, quite a good try at filling in what was missing.

By the way, I increased the width in 3 steps. One reason is the number pixels that Generative Fill uses per step is low, and by making smaller slices, it ended up with more pixels. Second, is if I give Generative Fill too much open space, it gets creative and adds more than I want to add.

Also used the "Remove Tool" to remove the lady on the other side of the bars.

The days of believing a photograph are officially over!

Two hippos at feeding time, but I can't quite see their faces
Two hippos at feeding time, but I can't quite see ...
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Generative Fill removed the wall, and could see their faces
Generative Fill removed the wall, and could see th...
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Jun 20, 2023 15:48:27   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
I know a person who is "borrowing" famous works of art by long time famous artists and adding her ideas to them using AI and calling it her own. I'm sorry but to me, that is theft of someone else's work. To use your own photos or paintings and add to or enhance is one thing, but to me, deceit will always be a NONO!!!! .

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Jun 20, 2023 15:52:50   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
Horseart wrote:
I know a person who is "borrowing" famous works of art by long time famous artists and adding her ideas to them using AI and calling it her own. I'm sorry but to me, that is theft of someone else's work. To use your own photos or paintings and add to or enhance is one thing, but to me, deceit will always be a NONO!!!! .


Totally agree!

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Jun 20, 2023 17:29:36   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
JimH123 wrote:
Here is an example of Generative Fill. Perhaps not perfect. But actually, quite a good try at filling in what was missing.

By the way, I increased the width in 3 steps. One reason is the number pixels that Generative Fill uses per step is low, and by making smaller slices, it ended up with more pixels. Second, is if I give Generative Fill too much open space, it gets creative and adds more than I want to add.

Also used the "Remove Tool" to remove the lady on the other side of the bars.

The days of believing a photograph are officially over!
Here is an example of Generative Fill. Perhaps no... (show quote)


Amazing ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

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Jun 20, 2023 18:57:08   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Horseart wrote:
I know a person who is "borrowing" famous works of art by long time famous artists and adding her ideas to them using AI and calling it her own. I'm sorry but to me, that is theft of someone else's work. To use your own photos or paintings and add to or enhance is one thing, but to me, deceit will always be a NONO!!!! .


Exactly right Jo. As I and many others have said over and over, the use of AI is an issue of ethics and must be debated and resolved at some point.

When I use Stock Photos, ether purchased or free, from the internet I am not required to give credit to the photographer. Often times I don't even know who provided the shot, however my ethical model requires me to state which pictures are mine and which came from another source. Once I have purchased or downloaded the shot I have never had any issue in modifying the shot to fit my needs, only to tell folks I didn't take it.

I can't speak for others but my ethical model requires me to state something like "AI generated image."

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Jun 20, 2023 19:30:50   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
AzPicLady wrote:
My concern is the integrity of the persons using it. I know that many will present an AI generated image as a real photo, thereby causing viewers to believe that scene actually existed, or that action actually occurred. Perhaps not here, but elsewhere. As a new art form, it is welcome, and can be used much as a painter creates a scene from his imagination. If we are to remain a photography forum, perhaps we should create some limits. On FAA, for example, most of the photography groups have imposed a "no AI" rule. But even there, it all depends on the integrity of the person using it to be truthful.

I'll take the arrows that will come when I say that I'm opposed to sky replacements, which y'all seem to embrace, for the same reason. To me, photography is a faithful representation of what was, not a manipulated version of what I want it to be. That, to me, is digital art. It's not wrong, just different.
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Ever since photography was invented there have been photographers whose goal was a faithful representation of what they saw and those who wanted to manipulate their photos into their own vision. It's not a new thing with digital, but has always been a part of photography. Sky replacement has been done since photographers were using glass plates. The emulsions were orthochromatic and blue skies came out stark white, so photographers shot skies at a different exposure and printed them in in the darkroom. It bugs me when people claim techniques which have been used all through the history of photography are all of a sudden not a part of photography.

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Jun 20, 2023 21:42:27   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
It's cell phone cameras impacting traditional camera manufacturing, not AI.

AI requires creating on your computer (or equivalent). Totally different world from capturing moments in time.


AI is a totally different and transformative technology, and will affect manufacturers of all types of photography equipment whether it's in cellphones, DSLR's or mirrorless cameras.

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Jun 20, 2023 22:37:08   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
yssirk123 wrote:
AI is a totally different and transformative technology, and will affect manufacturers of all types of photography equipment whether it's in cellphones, DSLR's or mirrorless cameras.


Would you please expand on that idea. I can't see where AI will have any effect on cameras.

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Jun 20, 2023 22:41:29   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Would you please expand on that idea. I can't see where AI will have any effect on cameras.


I don't doubt that AI technology will be used in cameras, just as it is being used in photography software and practically everything else.

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Jun 20, 2023 22:56:51   #
Cherihorn Loc: Toledo
 
I was glad when the whole argument about whether it was ethical to add vibrancy to an image, if it was ok to go mirrorless … etc etc etc. finally went away because despite the various opinions, Adobe and everyone else doesn’t care and technology marches on. So being upset gets you no where. I developed black and white film and printed in a darkroom. Creative and fun.Removing an annoying stick at the touch of a button-also fun. Constant argument over whether one is more art than than other -less fun and won’t change a thing.

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Jun 21, 2023 09:26:05   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Cherihorn wrote:
... Constant argument over whether one is more art than than other -less fun and won’t change a thing.
The popularity of these types of topics indicates that UHH regulars have quite a bit of fun endlessly arguing

However, I agree with your point 100% and often long for the days when main forum discussions talked about photography, including composition and use of light.

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Jun 21, 2023 12:36:28   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 

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Jun 21, 2023 14:13:25   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
The popularity of these types of topics indicates that UHH regulars have quite a bit of fun endlessly arguing

However, I agree with your point 100% and often long for the days when main forum discussions talked about photography, including composition and use of light.


Trigger Warning: Sarcasm, irony and personal opinion are included in this post.

I agree with your sentiment Linda but to quote Bob Dylan, "The times they are a changin'".

There are still some "real photographers" who post on UHH but they have learned that they are regarded as dinosaurs by many UHH members. On the whole, these photographers continue to produce quality shots with with minimal post processing. They tend to take few shots in the course of a daily outing and sometimes wait for days to get exactly the right lighting for their shots. These people will continue to be around, but I fear in fewer and fewer numbers.

Some action and wildlife picture takers rely on technology to produce good images and there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that approach. These people tend to take many more shots on each outing. The camera is the most important factor while in the field. They tend to favor/depend on high frames per second, fast high quality autofocus and other benefits that come with high priced, high end cameras.

The post processing group care only about focus, anything else can be fixed in post processing using a variety of constantly improving software. Lighting not right? A little tweak in LR fixes it. Subject violates the Rule of Thirds? A little Generative Fill will fix it. Subject a little too small, run it through Gigapixel. Too noisy or not sharp enough Topaz Labs and others have the answer. Adjust colors, vibrance or saturation many programs are waiting to help. Distractions in the image? Again many PP programs ready to fix the problem.

Bottom line? Get the shot. If you are a real photographer your pride will ensure the image is the best that is obtainable.

If you are a picture taker the quality of the subject should be your only concern. Use all the appropriate bells and whistles your camera provides for your shooting style. If you have a frame rate of 120 fps, use it. Except for a few specialized situations, Manual mode is for suckers. If you spent $4,500 for a camera use what you paid for. Always remember: Get the Shot you can always fix it later.

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Jun 21, 2023 14:48:02   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Trigger Warning: Sarcasm, irony and personal opinion are included in this post.

I agree with your sentiment Linda but to quote Bob Dylan, "The times they are a changin'".

There are still some "real photographers" who post on UHH but they have learned that they are regarded as dinosaurs by many UHH members. On the whole, these photographers continue to produce quality shots with with minimal post processing. They tend to take few shots in the course of a daily outing and sometimes wait for days to get exactly the right lighting for their shots. These people will continue to be around, but I fear in fewer and fewer numbers.

Some action and wildlife picture takers rely on technology to produce good images and there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that approach. These people tend to take many more shots on each outing. The camera is the most important factor while in the field. They tend to favor/depend on high frames per second, fast high quality autofocus and other benefits that come with high priced, high end cameras.

The post processing group care only about focus, anything else can be fixed in post processing using a variety of constantly improving software. Lighting not right? A little tweak in LR fixes it. Subject violates the Rule of Thirds? A little Generative Fill will fix it. Subject a little too small, run it through Gigapixel. Too noisy or not sharp enough Topaz Labs and others have the answer. Adjust colors, vibrance or saturation many programs are waiting to help. Distractions in the image? Again many PP programs ready to fix the problem.

Bottom line? Get the shot. If you are a real photographer your pride will ensure the image is the best that is obtainable.

If you are a picture taker the quality of the subject should be your only concern. Use all the appropriate bells and whistles your camera provides for your shooting style. If you have a frame rate of 120 fps, use it. Except for a few specialized situations, Manual mode is for suckers. If you spent $4,500 for a camera use what you paid for. Always remember: Get the Shot you can always fix it later.
b Trigger Warning: /b Sarcasm, irony and persona... (show quote)


You have spoken well. I'll admit to being a dinosaur and I take pride in getting an image that needs little work. I hate the "I'll fix it in post." But I admit that I do it sometimes.

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Jun 21, 2023 14:55:27   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Horseart wrote:
I know a person who is "borrowing" famous works of art by long time famous artists and adding her ideas to them using AI and calling it her own. I'm sorry but to me, that is theft of someone else's work. To use your own photos or paintings and add to or enhance is one thing, but to me, deceit will always be a NONO!!!! .


If it is done as satire or parody, artists have been doing that for a long time. See this work by Salvador Dali:

https://www.dalipaintings.com/self-portrait-mona-lisa.jsp

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