AI and this forum
Jun 19, 2023 17:10:15 #
kscanman
Loc: Wisconsin
For me A.I. is a slap in the face to the people who work hard to create beautiful photography. It is an art form that should not be tainted by A.I. at least in this forum. Many people have spent hours and lots of money on learning and buying equipment so that they can not only make money, but also have art that they can be proud of. It kind of hurts when you put something together in 2 minutes and call it art. A.I should have it’s own forum.
Jun 19, 2023 17:25:15 #
kscanman wrote:
For me A.I. is a slap in the face to the people who work hard to create beautiful photography. It is an art form that should not be tainted by A.I. at least in this forum. Many people have spent hours and lots of money on learning and buying equipment so that they can not only make money, but also have art that they can be proud of. It kind of hurts when you put something together in 2 minutes and call it art. A.I should have it’s own forum.
Film photographers said the same thing about digital.
Wet plate photographers probably said the same thing about film.
The beat goes on. Learn to dance to a new tune. It's fun.
Jun 19, 2023 18:33:20 #
AI has it’s own section - so you can elect or not to join that section.
Art, like Beauty, Is In The Eye Of The Beholder - what is art to some is junk to others - and the tools used to make it vary from paint brushes, hammer/chisel, clay, cameras, metal, wood, and software - etc… The AI package is just another tool/medium that has been introduced into the arena that offers a variety finished products.
We’re all “artists” in what we do and the equipment we use - how many post processing packages are out there? How many pictures have been “Photo Shopped” over the years and how many photographers think that those programs generate pictures that are not true “photographs”?
Personally, I look at new software as a challenge to learn and a benefit to help me improve my works. It gives me an opportunity to experiment with various looks that I wouldn’t try with other programs. I think the AI section is good as it helps me focus on those posts where I can learn new techniques.
Art, like Beauty, Is In The Eye Of The Beholder - what is art to some is junk to others - and the tools used to make it vary from paint brushes, hammer/chisel, clay, cameras, metal, wood, and software - etc… The AI package is just another tool/medium that has been introduced into the arena that offers a variety finished products.
We’re all “artists” in what we do and the equipment we use - how many post processing packages are out there? How many pictures have been “Photo Shopped” over the years and how many photographers think that those programs generate pictures that are not true “photographs”?
Personally, I look at new software as a challenge to learn and a benefit to help me improve my works. It gives me an opportunity to experiment with various looks that I wouldn’t try with other programs. I think the AI section is good as it helps me focus on those posts where I can learn new techniques.
Jun 19, 2023 19:44:03 #
People who work hard to create beautiful art through photography will still be appreciated. How many lovers of paintings turned their backs on that art form to embrace photographs exclusively? Do you share your photos online? I'm wondering who your audience is, or buyers?
Many are engaged by AI for the technology, and don't think of it as "art." Shellback offered additional reasons. No reason to despair!
Many are engaged by AI for the technology, and don't think of it as "art." Shellback offered additional reasons. No reason to despair!
Jun 19, 2023 20:05:20 #
Frank T wrote:
Film photographers said the same thing about digital.
Wet plate photographers probably said the same thing about film.
The beat goes on. Learn to dance to a new tune. It's fun.
Wet plate photographers probably said the same thing about film.
The beat goes on. Learn to dance to a new tune. It's fun.
Mirrorless forced the DSLRinosaurs out to pasture, when suddenly only mirrorless images are getting all the clicks, the likes, and the awards.
PhotoShop was a barrier to entry, both on cost and training / experience. And then, Adobe Lightroom showed you could do more in less time on 100x more images. But still, the PS die-hards man the barriers everyday claiming only PS can deliver anything acceptable, especially from a DSLR.
Jun 19, 2023 20:36:14 #
Frank T wrote:
Film photographers said the same thing about digital.
Wet plate photographers probably said the same thing about film.
The beat goes on. Learn to dance to a new tune. It's fun.
Wet plate photographers probably said the same thing about film.
The beat goes on. Learn to dance to a new tune. It's fun.
Well written!
Jun 19, 2023 20:44:03 #
kscanman wrote:
For me A.I. is a slap in the face to the people who work hard to create beautiful photography.
If you just ignore it you won't have to post about it and shouldn't worry about what others are doing.
Easy Peasy
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Jun 19, 2023 20:53:33 #
Bill_de wrote:
You are way too pragmatic for this site, Bill!If you just ignore it you won't have to post about it and shouldn't worry about what others are doing.
Easy Peasy
Easy Peasy
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Jun 19, 2023 20:56:40 #
kscanman wrote:
For me A.I. is a slap in the face to the people who work hard to create beautiful photography. It is an art form that should not be tainted by A.I. at least in this forum. Many people have spent hours and lots of money on learning and buying equipment so that they can not only make money, but also have art that they can be proud of. It kind of hurts when you put something together in 2 minutes and call it art. A.I should have it’s own forum.
A.I. is another tool. And I suppose that it should be made known that it is an A.I. image.
Just tried a little experiment. I started with a rose that has been cut off on the top and bottom and I wanted to see how well Generative AI could fix it by inventing the missing parts.
Image 1 is the original with the top and bottom outside the bounds of the shown image.
Image 2 is the result of filling in the missing top and bottom.
My conclusion is that it worked quite well. Generative AI has some amazing capabilities. How it will be used as we move forward is still to be seen. For someone wanting to fix an image for their own use, I have nothing against doing this. But there will be some line in the sand that many will not want it to cross over.
Jun 19, 2023 20:56:56 #
Jun 19, 2023 20:59:10 #
Jun 20, 2023 06:17:15 #
"Text to image" is a whole different genera, it is not photography by definition it is an Art form, much like oil to canvas. Oil to canvas is not photography.
When is AI AI and when is AI not AI, that is the question that Shakespeare posed eloquently in Hamlet.
Hamlet's Soliloquy, "To Be by camera Or Not To Be by camera. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous images by words and not by that seen by camera"
Simply stated, AI for cleaning and sharpening and other camera image improvements is AI such as Topaz plugin AI. A great tool, it overcomes a camera image problem/limitations from my old 2000 camera images. That is using a tool to file the rough edges from the camera image file.
Then there is AI Art... the camera-less AI which is a form of creative art like a brush on canvas. The image is created from a vast collection of images that fit the words of the "text to image" artist. "Text to image" is a whole different genera, it is not photography by definition. It does not replace the camera. Before this "Text to image" capability one could only describe in words what they were thought imaging in their mind.
When is AI AI and when is AI not AI, that is the question that Shakespeare posed eloquently in Hamlet.
Hamlet's Soliloquy, "To Be by camera Or Not To Be by camera. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous images by words and not by that seen by camera"
Simply stated, AI for cleaning and sharpening and other camera image improvements is AI such as Topaz plugin AI. A great tool, it overcomes a camera image problem/limitations from my old 2000 camera images. That is using a tool to file the rough edges from the camera image file.
Then there is AI Art... the camera-less AI which is a form of creative art like a brush on canvas. The image is created from a vast collection of images that fit the words of the "text to image" artist. "Text to image" is a whole different genera, it is not photography by definition. It does not replace the camera. Before this "Text to image" capability one could only describe in words what they were thought imaging in their mind.
Jun 20, 2023 06:29:52 #
Pre-visualizing images was a huge motivator for me to acquire equipment, skills, and the desire to travel to where I could make those images happen; first on film, then on digital. I don't do "generative AI", but believe there are and will be creative types who function basically the same way, just within the walls of their homes or offices.
Jun 20, 2023 07:21:26 #
I don't see images generated entirely by AI as being photography. Rather it is an entirely new and different art form built upon actual photos taken by others.
I have no issue with those who like to create 100% AI images, with one reservation - it is a replacement technology that will negatively impact camera manufacturers. By way of example - how many pagers are being sold these days?
I have no issue with those who like to create 100% AI images, with one reservation - it is a replacement technology that will negatively impact camera manufacturers. By way of example - how many pagers are being sold these days?
Jun 20, 2023 07:25:25 #
kscanman wrote:
For me A.I. is a slap in the face to the people who work hard to create beautiful photography. It is an art form that should not be tainted by A.I. at least in this forum. Many people have spent hours and lots of money on learning and buying equipment so that they can not only make money, but also have art that they can be proud of. It kind of hurts when you put something together in 2 minutes and call it art. A.I should have it’s own forum.
All markets change...and those that provide items to the market have to change with it.
You invest your time and coin because you want to...the market does not owe you a grace period.
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