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Apr 20, 2023 09:58:25   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Shoot all repukes they the problem


Once AGAIN as usual, nothing but VIOLENCE from the Left who then tries convincing the country it is Conservatives who are violent. Thanks dirt for proving my point over and over about what type of people the lying corrupt Left Wingers really are.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2023 10:04:25   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
Actually, if you objectively looked at it, the idea is rediculous. Go to any other country and whatever the laws are in that country, they are in every part of it. Here, it's not just gun laws that change at the state border, it's all kinds of laws. Example: You can have a radar detector in your car in New York, but in Virginia you'll be arrested if you do. The age of consent varies from state to state. The difference between petit larceny and grand larceny also varies.
We got a lot of things right in this country but different laws for different states just ain't one of them.
Actually, if you objectively looked at it, the ide... (show quote)


HEY, Brain Dead, maybe it is time for you to come out from under your rock and take a look around. America is NOT like any other countries in any way. There is a reason each state enacts its own laws. But the one binder for every state is the U.S. Constitution. That is the same in every state. With each state taking care of its own people there is less of a likelihood that the federal government will ever decide to form every state into a Socialist STATE nationwide. Of course that is what the Left Wing morons want but it won't happen.

As far as gun laws I think every Conservative would love to see similar gun laws across the nation, Constitutional Carry as the 2nd Amendment states across this great land of ours. More and more states are going that way so you may get your wish at some point in the future.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2023 10:31:41   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
pendennis wrote:
What is good for one state, likely is not good for another.

You just can't grasp that idea.


The corollary to that is that what is good for all states should be the same across your “United” States. I have never suggested not having states with separate laws when that makes sense. I have even gone as far as saying if you want to keep it at the State level then at least adopt the same laws if they logically pertain to all States (or We The People if you prefer). Several UHH contributors seem to get it; again, I am surprised that a man of your intelligence argues against this concept.

As a case in point, tell me why abortion laws SHOULD vary between States? Or as someone pointed out, why are laws for radar detectors different? And don’t give me the Civics 101 or History 101 answer, give me the Logic 001 answer.

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Apr 20, 2023 10:38:08   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
JohnFrim wrote:
The corollary to that is that what is good for all states should be the same across your “United” States. I have never suggested not having states with separate laws when that makes sense. I have even gone as far as saying if you want to keep it at the State level then at least adopt the same laws if they logically pertain to all States (or We The People if you prefer). Several UHH contributors seem to get it; again, I am surprised that a man of your intelligence argues against this concept.

As a case in point, tell me why abortion laws SHOULD vary between States? Or as someone pointed out, why are laws for radar detectors different? And don’t give me the Civics 101 or History 101 answer, give me the Logic 001 answer.
The corollary to that is that what is good for all... (show quote)


what you and scared frank realy mean is that every state should have the same laws..as long as they suit your individual taste..... BTW Canada is not a state so butt out

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Apr 20, 2023 10:40:44   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
wilpharm wrote:
what you and scared frank realy mean is that every state should have the same laws..as long as they suit your individual taste..... BTW Canada is not a state so butt out


What is your comprehension problem? I am only suggesting the same laws for things that have no logical reason to be different between States.

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Apr 20, 2023 10:42:38   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
JohnFrim wrote:
What is your comprehension problem? I am only suggesting the same laws for things that have no logical reason to be different between States.


what is your problem??...you are saying that YOUR LOGIC should apply to everyone!!!! it dont work like that, Pierre

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Apr 20, 2023 10:47:09   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
What an idiotic statement. I pointed out you did not supply much information on the case you referenced except that a man shot a kid outside his door. Was the kid threatening the man,…

Dennis, I used an example that has been in the news headlines for days. It’s Spring, time to get out of hibernation from under that rock.

Slurs aside, I just find it rather revealing that you argue about a situation you know nothing about, that you don’t bother looking up the facts to get the context, and that you admit to this approach. Are you not embarrassed?

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Apr 20, 2023 11:07:34   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Frank T wrote:
Actually, if you objectively looked at it, the idea is rediculous. Go to any other country and whatever the laws are in that country, they are in every part of it. Here, it's not just gun laws that change at the state border, it's all kinds of laws. Example: You can have a radar detector in your car in New York, but in Virginia you'll be arrested if you do. The age of consent varies from state to state. The difference between petit larceny and grand larceny also varies.
We got a lot of things right in this country but different laws for different states just ain't one of them.
Actually, if you objectively looked at it, the ide... (show quote)


So much for the Bill of Rights (10th amendment). Actually, the states have been called Petri dishes of ideas. Just think of how much bullshit my state has been able to push down other’s throats. California is coming to a state near you. Gavin Newsom 2024!

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Apr 20, 2023 11:09:02   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
The corollary to that is that what is good for all states should be the same across your “United” States. I have never suggested not having states with separate laws when that makes sense. I have even gone as far as saying if you want to keep it at the State level then at least adopt the same laws if they logically pertain to all States (or We The People if you prefer). Several UHH contributors seem to get it; again, I am surprised that a man of your intelligence argues against this concept.

As a case in point, tell me why abortion laws SHOULD vary between States? Or as someone pointed out, why are laws for radar detectors different? And don’t give me the Civics 101 or History 101 answer, give me the Logic 001 answer.
The corollary to that is that what is good for all... (show quote)


Here you got AGAIN trying to tell America, what we should do to become a better country from your idiotic and moronic Socialist viewpoint. It is ridiculous on your part to even go there. Yet you do.

As far as abortion being the same in ALL states, it was never supposed to be ruled by the central federal government. Abortion is not nor ever has been a RIGHT to be adhered to by the U.S. Constitution. The SCOTUS left it up to each state to decide whether or not it is legal in that specific state or not. THAT is the beauty of our FREE government you do not have. Our government is made up FOR the People/By the People. That is how we like it. You don't like it. Not a problem for any of us. You already live in a country that does not give you the rights we have and you love it there. STAY RIGHT THERE.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2023 11:16:45   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Dennis, I used an example that has been in the news headlines for days. It’s Spring, time to get out of hibernation from under that rock.

Slurs aside, I just find it rather revealing that you argue about a situation you know nothing about, that you don’t bother looking up the facts to get the context, and that you admit to this approach. Are you not embarrassed?


John are you a MORON? You bring up one isolated case that I have not heard of and you are giving me shit because I am ignorant of what news story you have heard. The other half of that coin is you are apparently not able to provide any more information or a link so I and others COULD read so we would have all the facts pertinent to the case. Yet you chastise me for not knowing every news story you know.

I was not arguing at all, merely asking you for more information so I could find out what is going on. What facts am I supposed to look up, just type in man shoots kid in NM maybe. Golly Gee Whillikers I wonder how that would work out. Maybe much simpler if you could have provided a link. Besides, what is there to argue about? You gave me part of the story and expected I would jump on the shooter. But neither you apparently nor me has any idea why the shooter shot the kid. I pointed out the lack of information needed such as the why, what happened in court but apparently you are not able to give that information.

Now please John, tell me why I should be embarrassed rather than you be embarrassed for failing to present the entire story.

Maybe you could give me your thoughts on the situation I presented to you regarding the elderly man shooting the 20 something kid who attacked him and was found not guilty in a court of law. You don't mention it because it shoots your comments right in Uranus.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2023 11:18:24   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Effate wrote:
So much for the Bill of Rights (10th amendment). Actually, the states have been called Petri dishes of ideas. Just think of how much bullshit my state has been able to push down other’s throats. California is coming to a state near you. Gavin Newsom 2024!


You can bet Newsom will bring his crime, homelessness and corruption with him too.

Dennis

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Apr 20, 2023 11:19:35   #
pendennis
 
JohnFrim wrote:
The corollary to that is that what is good for all states should be the same across your “United” States. I have never suggested not having states with separate laws when that makes sense. I have even gone as far as saying if you want to keep it at the State level then at least adopt the same laws if they logically pertain to all States (or We The People if you prefer). Several UHH contributors seem to get it; again, I am surprised that a man of your intelligence argues against this concept.

As a case in point, tell me why abortion laws SHOULD vary between States? Or as someone pointed out, why are laws for radar detectors different? And don’t give me the Civics 101 or History 101 answer, give me the Logic 001 answer.
The corollary to that is that what is good for all... (show quote)


Because - It is, that's why.

Logic 101 - The power to regulate abortions does not lie with the Federal government; it lies with the innate power of each state. The Federal government has powers which are few, and defined; the several states have powers which are many, and undefined.

Don't know how you can't see the logic, except you're not versed in American history, and you don't understand the evolution of the American body politic. Both those are essential to understand the logic of the construct of America.

I have a great number of hours in political science (nearly a major) from my university, and I've studied our history and system of self-governance for over 60 years independent of my college. I've read More, Plato, Plutarch, Burke, etc. While none of them stands out as a paragon for government design, it's the same path our Founders took in creating the United States Constitution.

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Apr 20, 2023 11:19:58   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Once AGAIN as usual, nothing but VIOLENCE from the Left who then tries convincing the country it is Conservatives who are violent. Thanks dirt for proving my point over and over about what type of people the lying corrupt Left Wingers really are.

Dennis


Bs from lying right

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Apr 20, 2023 11:23:30   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
As long as there are rocks there will be murder.

Remember, the first murder was committed with a rock.

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Apr 20, 2023 11:30:04   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
As far as abortion being the same in ALL states, it was never supposed to be ruled by the central federal government. Abortion is not nor ever has been a RIGHT to be adhered to by the U.S. Constitution.
Dennis

That's because The Founding Fathers never addressed it, probably because it was a non-wide-spread-issue back then, or because it would have embarrassed and exposed too many of themselves.

Again, all chiding aside, there is NO LOGICAL REASON for the State-to-State variance in some of the American laws, and it is causing lots of problems; abortion just happens to be an easy one to argue as logically being a national issue. You can give me all the historical and Constitutional arguments you want as to why abortion (and radar guns) are State laws, but NONE of those arguments are LOGICAL. As a LEO, you might want to contemplate legal things like the death penalty... why can a person "get away with murder" in one state (sure, "life" in prison with a parole in 20 years), yet be put to death in another? Are the victims' lives worth different amounts so that the punishment is meted out according to the victim's life value? There is ZERO LOGIC for a NATION that prides itself on "unity" to have State-to-State variances in laws that are NOT STATE-SPECIFIC for good reason.

And ALL of my arguments along these lines are to say America has a few big problems that need addressing at the National level; yet so many obstinately argue that The Constitution prevents those changes from being undertaken. And THAT is why I am saying AMEND YOUR (expletive) CONSTITUTION to make your country work better than it is now.

Are you going to argue that things are perfect and don't need change? Are you going to argue that things CAN'T be changed for the better? If you agree that changes would be good and necessary, then get over the roadblock that is preventing those changes from being implemented.

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