JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

I think I fully understand the concept of The Constitution and the US being a collection of States. I just think it rather silly that you don't feel any national unity on issues that have no reason to differ between States. That's all. And yes, as you have said, things can be changed (rewritten, amended, altered... that's all semantics). Clearly you do not want to change, and that's fine for some but not others. What would you say if, in fact, there was enough (say, 90%) support to change/rewrite/trash/amend your Constitution... would you be a 2A zealot and fight the majority?

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Earth to John, time to wake up now. You are talking about ONE isolated case of someone doing something with a firearm. Has the man gone to court yet? Has the case been adjudicated yet? No matter how it turned out it is STILL one case where a man made a mistake. Most likely he thought he was in danger and fired the shot. You and I were not there and so at least I will not make a judgement call on the case. But let's say he really was in danger and he had a baseball bat, up against a young man, (I have no idea how old the kid was) but perhaps the young kid might have injured the old man. What about THOSE circumstances John? Are you saying the old man should have been injured or killed only to have not used a firearm to save his life?

Those are the only comments I will make not having any idea what really went on in that case.

I can tell you of a case in Colorado Springs years ago where a young man had a case of road rage against an elderly male driver. The elderly man pulled off to the side of the road to let the young man in his 20's pass and go on his way. Instead the young kid walked up to the vehicle and began punching the elderly man in the face. After a few punches the elderly man reached a handgun and shot and killed the kid punching him. The elderly man was put on trial and won the case with a, Not Guilty, verdict. The jury felt the man did not need to be a punching bag for some young POS who could not control his anger. Now imagine if all that old man had was a baseball bat. He would have been dead now.

Are you capable of understanding thousands of lives are saved BY citizens carrying firearms against bad people carrying firearms. Are you aware at least 2 mass shootings have been stopped BY a good guy carrying a firearm, one of those was a church shooting where the good guy had, and used, an AR15 to shoot at the murderer. What about THOSE cases John where a gun was used to stop a murder. Should we all give up our rights and our lives just so you think you and yours can live in peace. Sort of a pussified thought isn't it?

Dennis

pendennis

You keep defaulting to this nebulous concept of national unity issues, when there are none. All you see published are polls where the sampling is dubious at best, outright fraudulent at worst. It doesn't make any difference what 10% or 90% of people polled think. The only thing that counts are elections. And the Constitution was designed to protect the minority of citizens from the democrat mob.

Your premise of of the "90%" is farcical on its face. Here's the real story. Any constitutional amendment, regardless how it was brought about, has to be approved by 3/4 of the states. All it would take would be 13 state legislatures to keep any amendment from passing, and I can name at least that number, and probably four or five more, that would never vote to repeal or modify the 2nd Amendment.

Keep playing fantastical ideas in your head, because you simply lack the understanding and logic of the American citizen, and just how much those inalienable rights are embedded in our psyche.

As the Spartans said - μολὼν λαβέ

cwp3420

Firm’s head is going to explode trying to figure out that Greek statement. Well done!

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

The “understanding and logic of the American citizen” is on display all the time. Remember the time your nation — oops, I meant to say your agglomeration of disparate states — elected an orange Buffon as POTUS?

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

So I might as well be discussing this with a turnip?

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

And the amazing thing to me is that an intelligent person like you does not see that NOT HAVING national unity on certain issues IS the problem!!!

I don't dispute your numbers and the likely outcome... and THAT in itself is a problem.

As you state in your next paragraph, "those inalienable rights are embedded in our psyche." Perhaps "psycho" is a better term.

pendennis

At no time during this discussion did I mention anything about the Presidential election of 2016. I have limited my comments to the Second Amendment and the Constitutional foundation of it.

It would appear that our former President has taken up residency in your mind, not mine.

It would also appear that you have no qualms with voting for a Socialist Prime Minister, aka "Little Black Sambo". It's Canada who doesn't recognize due process (seizing the bank account of a restaurant owner in Ottawa, for feeding protesting truckers?) Just what kind of freedom do folks have in the DSP (Dominion of Socialist Provinces)?

pendennis

It is not a problem, and the citizens of the United States do not see it as such. I've steadily adhered to the fact that the United States is not, and has never been, a homogeneous society. From the founding of the first chartered colonies, and for a myriad of reasons, the colonies, and the United States have been mostly heterogeneous. What is good for one state, likely is not good for another.

You just can't grasp that idea.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Shoot all repukes they the problem

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Actually, if you objectively looked at it, the idea is rediculous. Go to any other country and whatever the laws are in that country, they are in every part of it. Here, it's not just gun laws that change at the state border, it's all kinds of laws. Example: You can have a radar detector in your car in New York, but in Virginia you'll be arrested if you do. The age of consent varies from state to state. The difference between petit larceny and grand larceny also varies.
We got a lot of things right in this country but different laws for different states just ain't one of them.

Triple G

The tragedy is that after all this time, we as a people haven't figured out how to agree on what should be state autonomous (affects only within state borders) multi-state jurisdiction (contiguous borders area) and federal (affects all citizens in the same way regardless of border). By now, these should be better defined, staffed, and quick to act effectively.

Case in point: The invasion of Asian carp in our waterways.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0316/Why-solving-the-Asian-carp-problem-is-so-hard

https://www.hcn.org/articles/public-lands-a-new-structure-for-the-department-of-the-interior-takes-shape

https://www.ncsl.org/environment-and-natural-resources/state-action-on-invasive-species

pendennis

That's the beauty of the United States. If you want to own a radar detector legally, then move to New York. No one is stopping you. If you want to marry your fourteen-year-old 1st cousin, move to a state that allows it. No one is forcing you or anyone else to live where they don't want.

Just don't foist whatever your beliefs are, one way or the other, on others.

Your premise is deeply flawed. No other country has a diversity of citizens the way the United States does. In most every other countries worldwide, citizens live at the beck and call of the government.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

then why have different states, scared frank???

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

What an idiotic statement. I pointed out you did not supply much information on the case you referenced except that a man shot a kid outside his door. Was the kid threatening the man, was there a court trial and what was the adjudication from the court, are just two questions that come to mind. You don't give me information to work with and yet apparently expect tons of answers from me regarding one, just ONE, case you bring up out of a country of 330 Million people. You seem to expect that ONE case to represent all of us when it does not.

So perhaps John it is you with the brain of a turnip that continues to go along your merry way down a path of nothing more than anti gun bullshit in a country you don't know shit about and are doing your best to convert my country, with more freedoms than any other country on the planet and more opportunities than any other country on the planet to something more like your piss ant third world country filled with Socialist bullshit that you enjoy but with no freedoms.

Buh Bye now John. Say hello to your rutabaga brained Prime Minister.

Dennis