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Feb 26, 2023 12:43:05   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
rlv567 wrote:
Swapping skies is not AI - unless you have asked an AI program to do the swapping!!! (and told it what you want it to do.)

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City



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Feb 26, 2023 13:14:45   #
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Iron Sight wrote:
Doesnt AI start when you 1st look through the viewfinder?

No. Its even earlier than that.

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Feb 26, 2023 13:18:18   #
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Architect1776 wrote:
Geee that sounds like AI.
the program swaps the skies does it not?

Not at all. The user performs the swap.
Some proof of that is that its so often done so poorly !

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Feb 27, 2023 05:19:54   #
Wilderness Images Loc: Apache Junction, AZ.
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Photographers have been swapping skies since the very beginnings of photography. It's just much easier now with digital photography. But it can still be done on the computer without the aid of AI.



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Feb 27, 2023 05:58:48   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Iron Sight wrote:
Doesnt AI start when you 1st look through the viewfinder?


Ouch!!!

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Feb 27, 2023 06:12:12   #
Capn_Dave
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
Right you are. The pictures/ illustrations I daw in the article appear to be very similarly posed, simple head shots reminiscent of school yearbook photos. Not what I would call unique and certainly not showing any variation in the location or environmental surroundings. Too much sameness.


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Feb 27, 2023 06:22:36   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
rlv567 wrote:
Swapping skies is not AI - unless you have asked an AI program to do the swapping!!! (and told it what you want it to do.)

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


Swapping skies can be done without AI - but maybe far more laboriously. It is still artificial (untruthful). I know because I've done it!

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Feb 27, 2023 06:57:08   #
alphonso49uk
 
He needs to get a life....

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Feb 27, 2023 07:10:24   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Delderby wrote:
Swapping skies can be done without AI - but maybe far more laboriously. It is still artificial (untruthful). I know because I've done it!


We are not all journalists or evidence gatherers.

Swapping skies can be useful. In 2021 we were tasked with finding a venue for the daughter's wedding. The daughter lives half a continent away. After a couple false starts we found a likely site a 4 hour drive away so we went to visit it. It turned out to be a great wedding venue, but the day was overcast and foggy.




Not the sort of thing that would attract someone for a wedding. So I did a rough job of replacing the skies to make it look better.



It's not perfect: no shadows indicative of a sunny day, but it gives a better impression than the original.

The actual wedding day turned out to be sunny so representation of the scene with a replaced sky was not, in my opinion, untruthful.

Sky replacement was done in Photoshop using Photoshop tools from 2021 which included sky replacement (with sample skies, although I have a library of skies that I took over the years for just that purpose).

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Feb 27, 2023 07:32:54   #
Red6
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Here is where there is debate on AI.
I believe it goes back to before AI term became popular.
Things like swapping out skies to create a fake photo and such.
It has now grown far beyond that and here is one of the results of this problem.
The link below shows the photos generated.

"A Photographer Who Found Instagram Fame for His Striking Portraits Has Confessed His Images Were Actually A.I.-Generated
Jos Avery previously insisted his photos were taken with a Nikon D810
As the followers of Jos Avery’s Instagram account continued to increase so did his guilt.
His @averyseasonart account largely features black-and-white portraits of sharp facial features and blurred backgrounds. Oftentimes, Avery provided the subject’s name and a cutesy anecdote about their life, such as Lucy, “a strong woman from the Bronx,” or Jared, a Boston photographer,
The problem, one Avery struggled to disclose to his 28,000 followers, was that he was creating the images using Midjourney, an A.I. image generator. Avery made the images by entering a text prompt into Midjourney and then fine-tuning them using Photoshop.
Avery describes the work as “A.I-generated, human-finished portraits” and though the process of imitating photorealism is doubtless laborious, among the myriad hashtags that accompanied each image, not one mentioned A.I. art or generative art. A further issue stemmed from Avery having previously denied that the images were A.I.-generated and were, in fact, taken on a Nikon D810.
The popularity of the images, which he began posting on Instagram in October 2022, had wildly exceeded his expectations, creating an uneasiness that led him to contact Ars Technica, a technology publication. “Probably 95 percent-plus of the followers don’t realize [the images are A.I.-generated],” he told Ars Technica, “I’d like to come clean.”
The online response was varied with some criticizing Avery’s dishonesty and others acknowledging the quality of the work.
“Don’t call yourself a photographer, or an artist. All you’ve done is stolen from actual artists,” Ron Drynan wrote on Instagram, “You’re a prompter that finally grew some semblance of a conscience, nothing more.”"

Richard Whiddington, February 24, 2023

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/fake-instagram-photography-ai-generated-joe-avery-2260674
Here is where there is debate on AI. br I believe ... (show quote)


Despite some of the comments here, his work was obviously very popular and would have probably gone on to become even more so had he not felt guilty about the deception.

In my opinion, there is a very fine line between these types of AI-assisted images and those from photographers who have used conventional digital photo editing tools such as Photoshop. His images look more natural than some of the heavily "adjusted" images often displayed here.

Commercial photography and videography are most likely already using computer-generated (AI) images in their artwork and it is enjoyed by the masses who could care less how it is created. People like what appeals to them regardless of whether its source is human or machine.

AI is just another technology, no different than using a non-AI piece of software to "adjust" your images. I think the film photographers of old said the same things about digital photography and the ability to use a computer to "adjust" their images. In their way of thinking it took a lot more talent to dodge and burn film negatives than checking a menu item in Photoshop and moving a brush around.

If you think I am exaggerating, just review some of the past discussions here on UHH concerning the use of Photoshop vs straight out of the camera images. Same subject, different words.

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Feb 27, 2023 07:36:15   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
The portraits themselves are rather pedestrian. It’s the description of each subject that catches the imagination. I wonder if he used AI to generate those descriptions. I find them to be much more creative than the portraits on their own.

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Feb 27, 2023 07:49:16   #
Canisdirus
 
AI is already winning photo contests...

Talk about it...complain about it...not going away.

90% of photographers will not be affected at all.

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Feb 27, 2023 07:50:39   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
The portraits themselves are rather pedestrian. It’s the description of each subject that catches the imagination. I wonder if he used AI to generate those descriptions. I find them to be much more creative than the portraits on their own.


Last year a forum member of esteem emailed me to say that a good photograph did not need a title!

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Feb 27, 2023 08:53:33   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Delderby wrote:
Swapping skies can be done without AI - but maybe far more laboriously. It is still artificial (untruthful). I know because I've done it!


But it doesn't indicate intelligence!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Feb 27, 2023 09:06:12   #
Canisdirus
 
rlv567 wrote:
But it doesn't indicate intelligence!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


It's just a marketing name..no one is falling on the label sword.

Ai ...borrows...from millions and millions of images stored in its database.

What it has been able to 'learn' is how to borrow from many images...and make a unique one from the parts.

It does this...remarkedly well...it does it remarkedly quickly.

Give it a few million images of rome...it can build rome.

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