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Dec 4, 2012 10:50:48   #
grumpeegit Loc: Bridgend, Wales, U.K.
 
Bubu wrote:
These people may have tried and tried an the system beat them. There is a point beyond which a person gives up.After several lay offs I gave up looking for a job at 55-60, because no one would hire me, and I had master degree studies and a lifetime of experience in applied science . Thank god I had people on my side. There's a point where you are rejected too many times; are you too old, to ugly, member of a minority, black, woman, Hispanic ? You dont have that many chances against the more accepted population. It's time to retire,if you can.
These people may have tried and tried an the syste... (show quote)


Well said......

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Dec 4, 2012 10:55:52   #
TLCarney Loc: Englewood, Florida
 
Piece of the pie? What pie? A bystander with a cell phone camera took a picture of a NY policeman, on-duty, engaged in an act of being a decent human being, on the streets of New York. Yes, a news story, yes a human interest piece and now a viral internet sensation, but no pie. However, if the shoe company, or shoe store wish to launch a city-wide advertising campaign, or an enterprising writer/producer wants to make a film or write a non-fiction book...now there's a pie to negotiate.

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Dec 4, 2012 10:59:31   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
dickhrm wrote:
One question I have after reading thru this thread is how the pic actually was taken. The policeman went to the shoe store, bought the shoes, came back and gave them to the homeless man. Who took the photo? And how did the photographer know that this act of kindness was about to take place, or was he/she tipped off? Or after word got around about this act of kindness was the photo actually just a reenactment of what happened? Just curious.

DPM wrote:
jbslord wrote:
If a man has nothing and people use his image to make money (not the policeman obviously), what is so unreasonable about him feeling a bit ripped off? I would.


The story is not about him, it is about policeman !!!
One question I have after reading thru this thread... (show quote)


The news story said a tourist took the picture, so it wasn't even a reporter it was just someone who happened to be there. Obviously it got picked up by the news.

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Dec 4, 2012 11:00:34   #
acutance Loc: New Hampshire
 
Great shots, pale one.
“One of the risks of appearing in public is the likelihood of being photographed.”
&#8213; Diane Arbus

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Dec 4, 2012 11:13:08   #
scootersurfs Loc: Buckeye, Az
 
PalePictures wrote:
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a win win. They all sign a release. I volunteer in the kitchen of our local shelter once a month. I know many of the homeless in my home town. Many of the homeless were initially concerned I would be running a story in the press. It's no longer a problem.
I would advise anyone to pay a few bucks in return for the shoot and release.
I'm not surprised the guy was trying to get some money. Most of them are pretty savvy at getting money.

The only time I shoot without a release is if the person is unrecognizable.
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a ... (show quote)
I give money to homeless people all the time, and often wondered if it would be ok to take a few pictures. I will consider your approach and try it out sometime. Thnx

:thumbup:

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Dec 4, 2012 11:17:07   #
I STOP TO SHOOT Loc: By the No. CA Sea
 
Wow the secong picture the one where the guys eyes are opened, those eyes are a story in its self. Nice shots, advice sounds good... Thank you

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Dec 4, 2012 11:36:51   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
skydiverbob wrote:
GC likes NIKON wrote:
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless man who was given boots by a NYC patrolman: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

Soooooo, Beware !! Posting a photo of a homeless person may cost you a piece of the pie !! Apple or Blueberry ???

I'm sure we'll be watching to see how this one winds up !!!
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless ... (show quote)


I believe that any pictures done on a public street need no permission for posting anywhere. What say you folks?
quote=GC likes NIKON from an AP news story today ... (show quote)


As long as it isn't used for "commercial" gain, it is fair game the way I see it. If the picture was used commercially, not editorially, then both subjects should be given a payment.

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Dec 4, 2012 11:42:20   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
jjadeco25 wrote:
It's a shame that this act of kindness has turned into something quite ugly. The homeless man's brother who lives in CT said that his brother had been asked several times to move in with him, but the homeless man wants to stay in NY.
nikonshooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
GC likes NIKON wrote:
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless man who was given boots by a NYC patrolman: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

Soooooo, Beware !! Posting a photo of a homeless person may cost you a piece of the pie !! Apple or Blueberry ???

I'm sure we'll be watching to see how this one winds up !!!
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless ... (show quote)


Very interesting... Of course, he wants a piece of the pie! :-)
quote=GC likes NIKON from an AP news story today ... (show quote)



I think, in this case, his quest will turn out to be a piece "pie in the sky" betcha he has a lawyer.....and I'll betcha the lawyer found him! ...and I'll betcha he will have him on the TODAY show tomorrow!
quote=mdorn quote=GC likes NIKON from an AP news... (show quote)
It's a shame that this act of kindness has turned ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup:
And in many places it has been found that the "homeless" beggars are not from the area where they are begging and after a few days of begging go back to an apartment with nice furnishings! I read an article a few months ago about some towns that were investigating some of these and found one of the "beggars" would walk away and when he thought no one was looking got into his fancy car from a different county and drove off!! Just looking for money without work!! And obviously very successful at it!!

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Dec 4, 2012 11:44:17   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
PNagy wrote:
GC likes NIKON wrote:
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless man who was given boots by a NYC patrolman: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

Soooooo, Beware !! Posting a photo of a homeless person may cost you a piece of the pie !! Apple or Blueberry ???

I'm sure we'll be watching to see how this one winds up !!!
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless ... (show quote)


Several years ago I was shooting near downtown Houston. About a block and a half a homeless man just happened to be in the scene. He screamed bloody threats at me for allegedly taking pictures of him without his permission, which I was not. Not having a home does not mean also lacking ego.
quote=GC likes NIKON from an AP news story today ... (show quote)


Maybe he was a "wanted" person, or an illegal?? I have seen that happen too.

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Dec 4, 2012 11:55:52   #
TLCarney Loc: Englewood, Florida
 
Now consider this, by virtue of this brief encounter with fame, and particularly if he submits to interviews and appearances on national TV shows, he can be considered a celebrity, and a celebrity out in the open is fair game, by the code of the paparazzi.

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Dec 4, 2012 12:15:42   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
Wahawk wrote:
jjadeco25 wrote:
It's a shame that this act of kindness has turned into something quite ugly. The homeless man's brother who lives in CT said that his brother had been asked several times to move in with him, but the homeless man wants to stay in NY.
nikonshooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
GC likes NIKON wrote:
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless man who was given boots by a NYC patrolman: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

Soooooo, Beware !! Posting a photo of a homeless person may cost you a piece of the pie !! Apple or Blueberry ???

I'm sure we'll be watching to see how this one winds up !!!
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless ... (show quote)


Very interesting... Of course, he wants a piece of the pie! :-)
quote=GC likes NIKON from an AP news story today ... (show quote)



I think, in this case, his quest will turn out to be a piece "pie in the sky" betcha he has a lawyer.....and I'll betcha the lawyer found him! ...and I'll betcha he will have him on the TODAY show tomorrow!
quote=mdorn quote=GC likes NIKON from an AP news... (show quote)
It's a shame that this act of kindness has turned ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup:
And in many places it has been found that the "homeless" beggars are not from the area where they are begging and after a few days of begging go back to an apartment with nice furnishings! I read an article a few months ago about some towns that were investigating some of these and found one of the "beggars" would walk away and when he thought no one was looking got into his fancy car from a different county and drove off!! Just looking for money without work!! And obviously very successful at it!!
quote=jjadeco25 It's a shame that this act of kin... (show quote)


Begging sounds like harder work than working.

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Dec 4, 2012 12:26:48   #
Jer Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
I do like the photos you take. I'm trying to show the environment they are living in and illustrate that there isn't always a safety net for these folks. That's the neat thing about photography. There can be so many approaches to the same subject.
take care and keep doing great work.

PalePictures wrote:
Jer wrote:
I'm doing a series on homeless. I don't ask because it ruins the candid nature. ? There are countless tragic stories stories with high amounts of mental illness.



PalePictures wrote:
orterrym wrote:
Exceptional pictures. That's capturing the essence of the person.


Thanks Terry,

I would have never been able to do the shots without paying them.
I had to get them to move to a place where the light was what I wanted.
When I tell them ill give them 5 bucks for 2 minutes and walking maybe a block to find some good light it's usually not a problem. After you get them talking and relaxed on a short walk, who they are on the inside comes out.
Click.
I'm doing a series on homeless. I don't ask becaus... (show quote)


About 1 in 10 here seem to be mentally ill. Most here seem to have a substance abuse problem(mainly alcohol). The guy below has none of that. He's 70 years old. Said he's getting to old for the street. He never asks anyone for money. He's been living on the street for 10 years. I was surprised at the range of reasons people are on the street.
My style is less candid while trying to capture their soul.

Russ
quote=Jer I'm doing a series on homeless. I don't... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2012 12:42:29   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
Jer wrote:
I do like the photos you take. I'm trying to show the environment they are living in and illustrate that there isn't always a safety net for these folks. That's the neat thing about photography. There can be so many approaches to the same subject.
take care and keep doing great work.

PalePictures wrote:
Jer wrote:
I'm doing a series on homeless. I don't ask because it ruins the candid nature. ? There are countless tragic stories stories with high amounts of mental illness.



PalePictures wrote:
orterrym wrote:
Exceptional pictures. That's capturing the essence of the person.


Thanks Terry,

I would have never been able to do the shots without paying them.
I had to get them to move to a place where the light was what I wanted.
When I tell them ill give them 5 bucks for 2 minutes and walking maybe a block to find some good light it's usually not a problem. After you get them talking and relaxed on a short walk, who they are on the inside comes out.
Click.
I'm doing a series on homeless. I don't ask becaus... (show quote)


About 1 in 10 here seem to be mentally ill. Most here seem to have a substance abuse problem(mainly alcohol). The guy below has none of that. He's 70 years old. Said he's getting to old for the street. He never asks anyone for money. He's been living on the street for 10 years. I was surprised at the range of reasons people are on the street.
My style is less candid while trying to capture their soul.

Russ
quote=Jer I'm doing a series on homeless. I don't... (show quote)
I do like the photos you take. I'm trying to show... (show quote)


Ditto!
:thumbup:
Heading to a shoot over and out.

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Dec 4, 2012 13:13:46   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
There by the grace of God go I. How can any of you comment about him without knowing his circumstances? Mental illness - I know what it's like to have a kid with schizophrenia and believe me it isn't pretty. Attempted suicide, the pain of 'seeing things' that aren't there, hearing voices telling you to do stuff. Unless you suffer mental illness you have NO IDEA what it's like. AS for homeless people most of you HAVE NO IDEA what it's like. Stop stereotyping. Does he really want a slice of the pie? Who said that? Can it be verified that he actually said that?

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Dec 4, 2012 13:33:17   #
Linden
 
No one seems to be catching on to what possibly happened. The gentleman's reaction (who received the boots) was perhaps not totally driven by the photo. He was made a target by the officer. The Cop's heart may have been in the right place, but shiny new boots would certainly make this person a target for theft and a mugging by the less scruplious of his peers. It could easily put his life in more danger. So I don't blame him for selling them asap. Even if the money went towards feeding a bad habit. If you want to help someone in this position, regardless of how they arrived, it's best to offer food they can easily consume, and gently worn but serviceable clothing. Also you might try to direct them to a shelter. Money is not the best kind of help, except for the ones who are professional beggars. ie: the ones who get in their car and drive away. They may be doing all they can do to feed hungry dependents. Please remember, the best criticism is well thought out constructive criticism. Harsh judgement without knowing someone's personal situation is a good sign of a simple lack of thinking skills. If you think these visible minority people should be off the streets and receive better assistance, then why not seek out a local program that strives to help, get involved and better understand what it is your judging..... A few people who have replied here reflect their understanding and involvement with the homeless, and we could learn from them. As far as the man's comment about getting a piece of the pie from the photo; he's just reacting in the same way he sees most of corporate America and anyone else who is better off than he....gimme, gimme, gimme. It's pretty easy to go spew off against someone who is basically homeless and utterly defenceless. If we have a problem with his attitude we should be directing our thoughts towards those who are charged with setting examples for the less fortunate? Or are we cowards in the face of authority? if you're a professional photographer and you capture an image of a recognizable, more successful person and it is published somewhere, it is quite conceivable that the subject may benefit somehow from that exposure. I think it is quite astute of this homeless or beggar person to recognize and ask if he too might benefit from the exposure. After all, this happened in America, right?

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