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Dec 4, 2012 09:47:22   #
THEMRED7007
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
GC likes NIKON wrote:
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless man who was given boots by a NYC patrolman: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

Soooooo, Beware !! Posting a photo of a homeless person may cost you a piece of the pie !! Apple or Blueberry ???

Looks like the recipient DID receive the WHOLE pie at once thanks to the compassionate policeman !

I'm sure we'll be watching to see how this one winds up !!!
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless ... (show quote)



There are several ways to loook at this.

Seems more like Greed over Common Sense. Who got the PIE this individual supposedly wants a slice of, I don't think the officer received any type of monetary compensation for his actions. Who put the "Piece of the pie" idea into the
homeless individuals head.

Is this the start of one of those "Urban Legends" that abound on the internet?
quote=GC likes NIKON from an AP news story today ... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2012 09:48:34   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
I don't think the homeless man has a case. This is a "news" story, and as such does not require any kind of photo release (in my opinion, of course, and I am not a lawyer). If a newspaper had to have a signed photo release from everyone in the news they print photos of, the press would come to a complete halt as far as photos are concerned.


GC likes NIKON wrote:
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless man who was given boots by a NYC patrolman: Asked about the $100 all-weather boots Officer Larry DePrimo gave him on Nov. 14, Hillman says he's hidden them because "they are worth a lot of money."

He says he's grateful for the gift, but he wants "a piece of the pie" because the photo was posted online "without permission."

Soooooo, Beware !! Posting a photo of a homeless person may cost you a piece of the pie !! Apple or Blueberry ???

I'm sure we'll be watching to see how this one winds up !!!
from an AP news story today about the NY homeless ... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2012 09:49:17   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
PalePictures wrote:
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a win win. They all sign a release. I volunteer in the kitchen of our local shelter once a month. I know many of the homeless in my home town. Many of the homeless were initially concerned I would be running a story in the press. It's no longer a problem.
I would advise anyone to pay a few bucks in return for the shoot and release.
I'm not surprised the guy was trying to get some money. Most of them are pretty savvy at getting money.

The only time I shoot without a release is if the person is unrecognizable.
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a ... (show quote)


Outstanding shots, sounds like you have the proper grasp on shooting "street people", always show respect, never pity. It's amazing the difference a $5.00 bill in the pocket
can make on a person.

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Dec 4, 2012 09:50:06   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
hlmichel wrote:
I usually don't admit to having been homeless except in response to people bashing homeless as being lazy. Lucky for me, we at least had a car to sleep in.

The wife and I briefly joined the ranks of the working poor. Stuck in a catch-22 situation where we didn't have enough to afford a place to live, but had too much to get much in the way of assistance.
My grandfather got word of our situation and gave us a downpayment for an apartment.

Don't think I could take photos of homeless people, but if I did I would pay them up front. I'd like to think I'd give them a piece of any pie I got but it's a different story when you actually have the pie and the greed starts setting in.
I usually don't admit to having been homeless exce... (show quote)


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Dec 4, 2012 09:52:45   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
I have only shot a photo of one homeless person, and then with his permission. That's a legal area I try to keep away from.

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Dec 4, 2012 09:58:03   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
Unless it is used for advertising a product, it will only cost the photographer. The reason I say this is knowing the only piece of pie to be had is the one the lawyers will get from the only one who can pay - tax payers and the person who works for a living.

I had a friend of mine from high school who used to give homeless food and a place to bathe and would also buy them some clothes. She was 35 when they found her body stabbed to death from one of the homeless individuals. They never caught the culprit.

No pie if you don't work for it. If you require assistance, you make the effort to get it. It is out there. If you require medical institutionalizing, it is also available for those who seek it. No work, No Pie.

If you want to give someone some help, God bless you, but it should not be the courts that do the giving through your bank account in this case.

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Dec 4, 2012 10:04:44   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
I know one or two homeless people -- have known them for many years -- and it simply is a fact that these two people cannot keep a job and want to be "free." They are not willing to work at a steady job that would allow them to rent their own apartment. They sleep in some very strange places -- like in the laundry room of a large apartment complex where they can hide behind the machines and not be seen. They are utterly dysfunctional, too sane to be institutionalized, but too screwed up psychologically to have a more secure life. They complain that they want one, but when they have the opportunity, they prefer instead of be "free." I occasionally have coffee with one of them just to see how he is doing. The only change I have seen in him in 30 years is that he gets older, but never wiser.


Bozsik wrote:
Unless it is used for advertising a product, it will only cost the photographer. The reason I say this is knowing the only piece of pie to be had is the one the lawyers will get from the only one who can pay - tax payers and the person who works for a living.

I had a friend of mine from high school who used to give homeless food and a place to bathe and would also buy them some clothes. She was 35 when they found her body stabbed to death from one of the homeless individuals. They never caught the culprit.

No pie if you don't work for it. If you require assistance, you make the effort to get it. It is out there. If you require medical institutionalizing, it is also available for those who seek it. No work, No Pie.

If you want to give someone some help, God bless you, but it should not be the courts that do the giving through your bank account in this case.
Unless it is used for advertising a product, it wi... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2012 10:08:09   #
dickhrm Loc: Spingfield, IL
 
The tourist must have been well shielded from the goings on and/or had a long telephoto lens, to have been unnoticed during what appears to have been a relatively long time span.

jjadeco25 wrote:
There was a tourist from VT I think they said who was watching the police officer speaking to the homeless man and then saw him go into shoe store and come out with boots and 2 pairs of socks, watched him put them on the homeless man and gave him the receipt in case the homeless man needed to exchange. He told the homeless man that no one should ever be cold. During this whole exchange, the tourist snapped pix w/o the officer or homeless man being aware of it.
dickhrm wrote:
One question I have after reading thru this thread is how the pic actually was taken. The policeman went to the shoe store, bought the shoes, came back and gave them to the homeless man. Who took the photo? And how did the photographer know that this act of kindness was about to take place, or was he/she tipped off? Or after word got around about this act of kindness was the photo actually just a reenactment of what happened? Just curious.

DPM wrote:
jbslord wrote:
If a man has nothing and people use his image to make money (not the policeman obviously), what is so unreasonable about him feeling a bit ripped off? I would.


The story is not about him, it is about policeman !!!
One question I have after reading thru this thread... (show quote)
There was a tourist from VT I think they said who ... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2012 10:08:58   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Sounds like the homelss man got his piece of the pie, he got a free pair of boots.

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Dec 4, 2012 10:18:14   #
dixiemegapixel Loc: Salemburg, NC
 
So what if he was a veteran? He was an Army Food Services Specialist. As a thirty-year veteran, enlisted and officer, I too, think I know what veterans go through. I was somewhat surprised when I learned in 1965 about scores soldiers receive on their aptitude tests in Basic Training. Cooks were the guys who scored lowest. If this guy was a grunt or a combat medic, I could better empathize. Additionally, to my knowledge he is not a "Combat Veteran". As such, I disdain any claim of PTSD.

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Dec 4, 2012 10:19:19   #
grumpeegit Loc: Bridgend, Wales, U.K.
 
PalePictures wrote:
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a win win. They all sign a release. I volunteer in the kitchen of our local shelter once a month. I know many of the homeless in my home town. Many of the homeless were initially concerned I would be running a story in the press. It's no longer a problem.
I would advise anyone to pay a few bucks in return for the shoot and release.
I'm not surprised the guy was trying to get some money. Most of them are pretty savvy at getting money.

The only time I shoot without a release is if the person is unrecognizable.
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a ... (show quote)


excellent portraits....... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 4, 2012 10:37:52   #
Bubu Loc: Out of this solar system
 
And a grandfather who could help. Not eveyone has relatives who can help.

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Dec 4, 2012 10:42:56   #
sjbegres Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
You're a good guy. Thanks for what you do.

Sherrill

PalePictures wrote:
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a win win. They all sign a release. I volunteer in the kitchen of our local shelter once a month. I know many of the homeless in my home town. Many of the homeless were initially concerned I would be running a story in the press. It's no longer a problem.
I would advise anyone to pay a few bucks in return for the shoot and release.
I'm not surprised the guy was trying to get some money. Most of them are pretty savvy at getting money.

The only time I shoot without a release is if the person is unrecognizable.
I pay the homeless $5 to do a 2 min shoot. It's a ... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2012 10:44:08   #
Bubu Loc: Out of this solar system
 
These people may have tried and tried an the system beat them. There is a point beyond which a person gives up.After several lay offs I gave up looking for a job at 55-60, because no one would hire me, and I had master degree studies and a lifetime of experience in applied science . Thank god I had people on my side. There's a point where you are rejected too many times; are you too old, to ugly, member of a minority, black, woman, Hispanic ? You dont have that many chances against the more accepted population. It's time to retire,if you can.

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Dec 4, 2012 10:50:07   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
The laws are different in each state . But i think in the bulk of them i could take a pic. Of you in a public place eating a ice cream cone , and put it in a mag, news paper, and you could not sue for any thing . As long as i did
Not get any thing for it , but if your fly was down then its a different story. Or if it was demeaning in any way.

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